Apollo 13’s Attention to Detail – Offworld Episode 28

Apollo 13’s Attention to Detail – Offworld Episode 28

welcome back to offworld the show where
we talk about all things space exploration and pop culture I’m Ariel
Waldman and I’m norm Qian Ariel the movie you’re gonna be talking about
today well it’s one that you’ve had pocketed for quite a while one that I
think we certainly grew up with yeah Apollo 13 it came out in the mid 1990s
1995 I believe and it’s I don’t know it’s amazing it’s an interesting film
because it feels like a documentary but it gets the cinematic effect of getting
to really tell this story from multiple angles it’s just only one of the best
space donkey dramas out there influential to us and also to your two
guests today familiar faces to the tested audience well let’s get right
into it so today we’re talking about Apollo 13 film made in 1995 or film that
came out in 1995 I totally love it today on the show we have Adam Savage thanks
for being on the show thanks for having me and Ryan can you please introduce
yourself and a bit about what you do I just met you in person I know some
people at tested here know what you do but please tell us more yeah well I make
really high fidelity replicas of spacesuits and I do them for museum
exhibits I do them for private collectors and occasionally I do them
for movies I made the x-15 pressure suit that Ryan
Gosling is wearing and first man which I did another tested video about and I
never thought I would be able to do that for a living but enough people and
organizations want replica spacesuits that I I keep making them yeah well and
you and I were just talking about how we both sort of come from an art background
and sort of stumbled into NASA and space stuff which is fun yeah well I really
like I really like hearing stories about that sort of thing I’m actually a member
of an organization called I triple-a that is the International Association of
astronomical artists really yeah yeah well it’s a apparently it has some
connections to Carl Sagan’s so early in the early days of NASA I think NASA
recognized that it was important to Commission space
artwork so I think that’s you might have seen that Norman Rockwell painting of
Gus Grissom and and John Young I think that was a part of that program Paul
Kelly’s painting of Neil Armstrong stepping on the moon that was part of
the postage stamp that was part of that program and there’s actually a bunch of
those there’s a bunch of that kind of artwork at the far-out exhibit at the
San Francisco Museum of Modern Art right about space habitats and it’s about at
NASA’s prognostication using artists and visualizers as to what it might look
like yeah but they I guess they stopped that
program probably at the end of Apollo and Carl Sagan found a lot of these
artists to work on his projects like cosmos I think there’s a lot of the art
and there I think he he also recognized the need for space art and so they
started that organization years ago it’s like a guild of space artists I don’t do
a lot with them but I contribute to the organization just because I think it’s
important is awesome well one of the things I love about the obsessiveness of
your work Ryan is that and that was that I was in DC couple weeks ago talking to
Lisa Young the conservator who restored Neil Armstrong’s suit and there’s a lot
of institutional knowledge that gets lost just because people matriculate out
of NASA and then a lot of that data is reclaimed by obsessives like Ryan and me
and you who start to Zone in on something specific very passionate about
and turn out to be the repository of that institutional knowledge I really
really love that Lisa was saying how much they rely on collectors and
enthusiasts to figure out what this part was and how that worked yeah absolutely
well and and and you know we’re talking a bit about astronauts today and and the
movie Apollo 13 and I wanted to ask the both of you
you know what impact the movie had on you in the 90s when you saw it that’s
kind of why I’m here and that’s why I have reached out to you specifically
about this movie because I as a kid I was into the space shuttle
that’s what was happening in the 80s and I really didn’t know anything about
Apollo I knew that we had gone to the moon because I had seen the picture of
Buzz Aldrin that man on the moon photo but I didn’t know how we got there I
didn’t know anything about the program so when I saw the movie Apollo 13 it
blew my mind like everything about it the suits they were wearing obviously
was was a big thing with those clear bubbles the Saturn 5 rocket I had seen a
Saturn 5 before but I didn’t realize that there were actually people on the
very it is a thing the first time you engage with how tiny the payload is at
the top of yeah you think they’ve got the whole rocket to just like swim
around it yeah which they did on Skylab actually that they just converted a
third stage Skylab at the Smithsonian I was amazed how much bigger it was then I
was prepared yeah yeah that’s so that they’ll never have a station like that
again it was just a huge empty space in in space but but anyway it was that
movie that introduced me to Apollo and I made my first space suit replica ever
was after I saw that movie because I really wanted one of the suits in that
movie which maybe we’ll do another video on sometime with that suit because I
still have it what did you make the suit Oh like you said you were you know you
were pretty young when you maybe it was 14 so I I made it out of like painters
coveralls like extra-large painters coveralls that I cut up and read glued
back together I think the desk the disconnects were
like the tops of soda cans I remember the big thing was the bubble helmet
there was a plastic store near me and I had my mom take me there and I bought
two acrylic domes and glued them together but that was it was crazy I
that was 25 years ago now and I never thought that I would be
doing that for a living because I did a lot of other things in between then and
now but maybe about five years ago I realized I could make a much better suit
replica now and I still have the passion for it so I did and I mean that’s all
I’ve been doing ever since but that’s that’s a good example of a movie or a
piece of art inspiring somebody to do something sort of in the real space
program because I do you know work a lot with museums and that’s oh yeah as well
absolutely Adam one day what did what impact did it have on you in the 90s the
key so it was older than you when I saw it I was in my mid-20s and I aside from
being just a phenomenal movie there are so many aspects I now see that are just
wonderfully different than a normal narrative would do the whole narrative
of Gary Sinise troubleshooting how to the correct sequence of switches to
maintain the right amount of power with the limits that they had that that
scientific approach of using the control at home to you know and this is our
group this is JPL’s entire model right it’s it’s and it’s nasa’s model and it’s
brilliant one and it gets to be such a significant plot point so from an
engineering standpoint i really resonated with that but of course the
moment that that hit me the most was you got to make an oxygen stronger and this
is all that you have and that problem-solving i’ll spend my whole life
hoping to be in that room at some other time to help solve that kind of problem
the ultimate hackathon the ultimate hackathon the ultimate in situ resource
utilization I loved that then once they solve the problem it
required a set of protocols which was a light which is a list of things and
having built many lists of complicated sets of operations for my crew and
Mythbusters and untested and other ventures it’s non-trivial and they had
like minutes not hours or days and then even I just remember reading like he’s
reading like line-item to tear a piece of tape approximately 36 inches in
length anything like yep that’s exactly how you do that and again they sort of
showed behind the curtain they made the engineering at the end they showed you
that everyone was an engineer and then they made that engineering such a part
of the plot it made me feel warmly embraced by the by the whole film yeah
Ryan what do you think was particularly illuminating about the film to you well
everything obviously that suiting up scene was was big I don’t think I knew
how they put on a space suit I like I said I don’t I didn’t know that they had
these clear bubble helmets I like that whole launch sequence I think it it has
a healthy dose of Romanticism in it I worked on first man and I really enjoyed
that film but one of the things that it definitely doesn’t have is that romantic
aspect to it and I think sometimes you need a little bit of that I think it
inspires people and so that launch sequence always gets
me I always tear up I like Adam I liked all how all the narrative of the film is
is based on these real-life engineering problems that they had I also like that
you know unlike you know I saw the Martian and it’s it’s there’s obviously
some similarities with that but unlike the Martians based on a real story so
each of these guys they’re not even named in apollo 13 but if you look them
up they’re all like real people like the guy who Gary Sinise is working with to
find that sequence is this engineer John Aron who was a real guy and you can kind
of just look on Wikipedia for the things he did he was the guy who during Apollo
12 when it was struck by lightning during the launch there’s a
he said that that Allen being that he should try switching from SC Docs and
and nobody in the room had any idea what he was talking about and apparently this
blows my mind to is that he’s they there were switches on the command module that
that most people didn’t even know we’re even there that’s how complex the
spacecraft was but the end the only reason he knew he happened to be in the
chair at the time when Apollo 12 was being launched and he like a year
earlier was at the Kennedy Space Center and he had noticed this odd telemetry
pattern that would happen when the electronics were going wrong and they
and he figured out on his own that flipping the s ce2 auxilary switch fix
the problem and really thinking through the wiring diagram it was just really on
his own initiative and so when Apollo 12 was happening and he saw the telemetry
was having the same thing he said why don’t you try that and in the capsule
only Alan bean knew what that was like the other two guys were like what what’s
s ce2 aux and he’s like I think I know what that switches and he switched it
and it saved the mission so that’s like that was John Aaron and he was one of
the what was EECOM yeah he come on a Apollo 13 at that time so was psy Lyra
got but I like that you can watch that movie and sort of do your own research
and see that all all of these people are based on real guys and they have history
that extends beyond the movie it’s like a game of Thrones or something where you
can go like and and find that there’s a yeah except it’s real and I think one of
the things that was interesting about it and I’d be curious if it was sort of the
first film to really illuminate was was Mission Control because you know is so
much about going into space it’s all about the astronauts all about you know
everyone who’s going into space and yeah there’s some people on the ground that
sort of help them that it but you know Apollo 13 really is like Mission Control
is just incredible and and you get to see
gene Krantz like you know depicted yeah I love Gene Kranz Hughes Gene Kranz fan
hope to meet him someday but um it’s just I think it did a good job of really
showing you know maybe not the thousands of people involved in the program but at
least how important Mission Control is and how they were heroes in and of
themselves well I think that’s when you look at the canon of great space films
like from right stuff to Apollo 13 first men hidden figures and others each one
is looking at a different population mm-hmm that is part of the grand thing
and I mean right stuff is very room super romantic hyper romantic I mean
it’s about American culture as much as it’s about the mercury seven and I love
that Apollo 13 seems to be about the astronauts at first but it’s taking it’s
doing this jumping off point that Apollo’s amateur program this is
something that they do and then it all goes to hell and then yeah we featured
the engineering of what it’s like to manage that and even down to when when
you hear back from Apollo 13 after the whatever the four minutes of silence
while they’re coming through the atmosphere and everyone have Rupp’s into
applause but Krantz stays kind of and the vent Krantz is also exactly that
mm-hmm Horace is a perfect guy to play him yeah
I met gene Cranston at Johnson a couple years ago I was there and I was talking
about the vests yeah and he said that before they realized the vests were
super valuable then they gave a bunch of a to the goodwill yeah I know and some
of the birds probably sitting in someone’s closet down in Texas yeah well
I mean so speaking of the fashion in a Apollo 13 since both of you are
spacesuit aficionados to say the least what is your favorite space suit scene
in the movie like is there one like interesting angle or click of the you
know the gloves going on or is there something where you’re just like ah I
really love that part of the spacesuit that they showed yeah I I like well I
like the whole sequence but the things that were of particular interest to me
Irene member was the the scene where the suit
is being zipped up because I think when I first saw that I thought I didn’t
realize that a spacesuit had a zipper on the back and how would that how would
you eat you have to pressurize a suit with a zipper but then when I you know
got into the research a little bit more I realized that those suits really did
have pressure ceiling zippers like you would have on a like a scuba dry suit or
something they don’t do that anymore it was not the best system for suits no
the Russians lighted the zippers entirely but and then of course all the
disconnects there’s they show close-ups of the gloves and all that working
that’s it’s all Chris Gilman’s work from global effects am i right Paolo 13 was
the Cosmosphere oh so a global effects did from the earth to the moon okay sort
of right after but yeah all of the hardware in that movie was done by the
Kansas Cosmosphere I have a space works division and they don’t make suits
anymore they only do spacecraft it was a brief
period of time where they made spacesuit replicas and they did the ones in that
movie they’re really good-looking replicas yeah well they have like I
don’t know how many suits in their collection there and they use those as
as a reference that’s all I need to visit the Kansas Cosmosphere I grew up
in Kansas and oh yes and I learned about it after I moved away I was like ah I’ve
I wanted to go there but it’s sort of I’m told kind of in the middle of
nowhere yes yeah it’s not it’s not near Kansas it everywhere when I was around
um I also really when I think about the costumes from the film I love that just
the normal suits they’re wearing in in the LEM while they’re on their way back
like all those shots of them sort of goofing around and eating fear and
getting tired and cranky um a couple of years ago Ryan connected me up with a
seller and I purchased a pair of bata cloth astronaut pants yeah similar to
what they might have worn on their right then these these are not flown but this
the astronauts did wear like yeah yeah well that’s that was called the
in-flight coverall garment so the I starting with yeah the
IC chief yes everything up until Apollo they had always worn their pressure
suits in the capsules because they were they were not super long-duration
missions except for Gemini 7 was they designed
those special suits for Borman and Lovell to wear because they knew they
would be wearing them for like two weeks but they realized they need they needed
something else for the astronauts to wear they couldn’t wear the spacesuit
for two weeks or whatever and so they created those in-flight coverall
garments and they were made of Teflon so once you have were beta cloth because
the first ones they did were paid a cloth which is Teflon coated silica
fiber but it was too uncomfortable to wear that from what I’m told
do you see III didn’t wear them for long I did put them on enough to know that
they fit me yeah but was it that they got hot was it you know I’ve read
different things and I don’t always trust the information I read I always
have to cross-reference it but some some things I read were that they they got
like fiberglass dermatitis from the virus but the purpose of I’m not sure I
believe that because of the purpose of the beta cloth was that they coated the
fibers right f1 so that wouldn’t happen but for whatever reason they they just
said beta cloth was not good for those so they just used straight tough Wan
fabric you bring up something is when I was in DC I hosted the Kennedy Center
50th celebration and one of the guests on there was Charles Fishman who wrote
one giant leap which is delightful and wonderful book which I know if you’ve
read but I am I’m in the green room with Charles for the whole performance he had
a lot of time to ask me questions about your spacesuit hanging in the corner
because I was I wore it during the production and as I was telling him
stories about it he said oh yeah after like an hour he goes I get it I get it
you know what you are I was like what he’s like you’re a journalist
interesting part of this exploration that you’re doing you could call it
journalism and when you say I don’t trust everything I read that cross-check
yeah there is a journalistic ass way in which we gather the information
what’s important to us yeah and I loved that frame of considering it yeah it’s
totally a research I mean if you’re not heavy in research then you know what’s
the point kind of yeah I mean another interesting aspect of Apollo 13 that I
wanted to ask you about was the special effects so it’s you know the film came
out in 95 my understanding is it used entirely models and then sort of
augmented the models with some computer graphics and and I also read that the
Saturn 5 that they built was like an 18-foot model of Saturn 5 and then they
like added so when you see like a Saturn 5 taking off you’re seeing a model with
some computer graphics of I guess the steam and everything around it but what
are your thoughts out of them like the the special effects for their standing
they hold up yeah in fact I believe they used some of
those for another film there’s another and main even be from the earth to the
moon that they reused some of the Apollo 13 shots
yeah probably it was the same production company yeah they’re they’re still
stunning effects and then of course they did so much of the zero gravity shooting
using a set they built into NASA’s vomit comet which having written in the zero g
plane is gonna ask if both of you have done vomit comment I have done it yeah
I’ve done it before actually I did it the day after you did
oh really deficit because I what the day I did it I said the Mythbusters were
here yesterday this is before those years ago we weren’t a lot bailout they
they allowed us to film there they didn’t charge us which is a significant
savings yes expensive yeah but they are the requirement of us filming is what we
weren’t allowed to use the word vomit or talk about throwing up at all we throw
up after I was done filming I did throw up and apparently according to Tom Hanks
I talked to him about this the whole crew was booting on that there’s a rough
I mean those parabolas especially when you’re doing them for days on out days
of it I would totally oh it’s to everyone
they just you’d come back wrecked from from the from the repeated nausea and
yet the footage is unassailably magnificent yeah I the thing about that
movie is I yes time goes by effects and technology get better they can duplicate
things to a higher degree of fidelity like with the first man I think there’s
even some improvement in the image quality but the advantage of Apollo 13
was that it was a it was 25 years after the event
so they used a lot of real hardware in that movie before it was like the flash
lights they were using where they were still using those on the shuttles and
they were able to use the Vomit Comet and I just don’t think there will ever
be a movie that does that again so in a way it’s this historical document you
know in some sense of you know what it looked like to be in zero-g and and well
and there’s all that hardware it looked like and the zero-g thing is I mean
directors from the history of film have always worked in different way Stanley
Kubrick of course like in in multiple sets of shots is using like five
different hanging rigs for five different shots in sequence so your
brain is never quite figuring out the magic trick and yet nothing equates to
Bill Paxton throw in a pen across the cabinet like there is no special effect
that can render something that you’d brain just knows is real and it puts you
in that capsule yeah absolutely Minh when I was watching it actually I
didn’t look up any notes on the special effects or anything until after the fact
and I was watching I was like that has to be a zero g plane because there’s
also like if you’ve watched enough zero g plane footage it’s like it’s
microgravity but it’s sort of like sort of limp microgravity so you sort of see
people flowing and sending a pen across but it’s sort of got like a slight arc
to it like I can pick up on cuz I’ve watched
enough of the zero g plane footage I haven’t actually been on one of those
planes and I don’t know I gotta get you on one of those
I would need a little convincing because I’ve had sort of the principle of like
if I’m gonna vomit I bet our beam in space like if I’m gonna go through I
will tell you that the zero g plane and an f-18 Hornet are both experiences in
which vomiting did not detract from my enjoyment even one bit good to know I
would do both of those again on any day of the week at any time at the drop of a
hat good to know I’ve learned does get in the way of my enjoyment of some
things I was actually on the zero D plane there’s a moment which I throw up
into the bag and I look down and I realize oh there’s nothing holding me and yet you see people vomiting in
Apollo 30 well you see the one guy vomiting and Paolo 13 and you’re just
like yeah that was real too was Bill Paxton I think the thing about having
been on countless movie sets in commercial sets and mythbuster sets in
which discomfort was part of the part of the job that day I also read a lot of
behind this like you read the interviews with the actors and Ron Howard about
shooting on that zero g plane how many days they were doing it and thus in
effects covers it at some depth and what you read between the lines is that it
was miserable I mean it’s one of those things of like
you can talk about it and you’re glad you did it the footage is unassailably
great but holy hell like after days and days and days no one
was no one was anything but broken by that play yeah it’s brutal yeah so okay
so my final question is what space history moment deserves essentially the
Apollo 13 treatment in so much as what space history moment hasn’t had a movie
made about it that deserves something like an Apollo 13 movie I guess I’ll
start while you both think for me there’s a lot to pick from but I would I
would maybe choose Voyager and like the making of the golden record and like
fighting with NASA about what goes on the golden record or what they’re
allowed to do or not or even the Pioneer plaque for that matter
you know my hmm I don’t know if I have a good answer for
that because the longest time I had wished they made an Apollo 11 movie and
we eventually did it’s so motives although that movie was more about Neil
Armstrong it wasn’t as much are you talking about first man yeah I was also
I love the new Apollo 11 document with some nice elements to it yeah III had
always wanted to see an actual lunar landing covered cinematically with and
they fortune you got your wish yeah they did that so um I have always been super
compelled by that shot of Ed white on the very first extra-vehicular his walk
for some reason I find that shot of him at the end of the umbilical holding that
little rocket so compelling and so lonely and intense from an engineering
standpoint the idea that he’s the first one to exit the cabin scary from where
he is and I find it never it’s never not terrifying to me and so that that photo
of just getting chills even describing at that photo to meas it’s an amazing
moment and the triumph of engineering and his trust in the engineering at that
moment in time because that suit was not meant for EVs yeah the last time we’d
send a suit like that out there unless it was a terrible actually I did think
of something though because you talk about ed white and then I thought about
aleksey leonov who did the first spacewalk but I thought we haven’t
really seen a lot of movies about the Russian space program yeah and I know
there are some I think there there’s one that came out but it’s it’s a Russian
film and it didn’t get a wide release here I don’t even know if you can see it
here about that first Russian spacewalk but I would like to see some I’d love to
see one about a valentina Tereshkova the first woman in space because supposedly
her family didn’t even know she was going she couldn’t tell her family she
was going into space and they heard about it on the radio supposedly
you know as she was like oh yeah I’m just doing something and it’s like
they’d learned she’s like that would be amazing as a movie it must have had a
moment of disconnect with her like well there must be someone else with that
name who knows well thank you so much for being on the show today oh thank you
for having thank you very much absolutely talking about Apollo 13 of
course work of course so what I really loved about that conversation was
talking about how I loved the special effects really held up in Apollo 13 and
how it’s this great film you can watch today and just enjoy it just as much as
you did in the 90s it’s a testament really to the the filmmaking lengths
they went to from going up in the vomit comments to get real microgravity
something that you said even watching it your brain knows it’s it’s a real thing
to the fact that they wanted to recreate everything and not use actual mission
footage not shoot in Mission Control that I believe really speaks Adam and
Ryan as prop builders and replica makers yeah I think it’s really impressive to
have a film that you just do right and now you know decades later it’s just it
still holds up it’s still great and and it really it still is a great thing to
show kids and show adults anyone who didn’t actually get to live through the
Apollo era it holds up as actually a really fantastic way of introducing
people to something that they didn’t live through it’s not like it’s your
choosing either or right because an example of you guys mentioned first man
and the Apollo 11 documented there are there’s ways to experience space history
with something that’s a documentary which has direct oral flourishes in
there and something that’s a fabrication retelling and you know I think growing
up watching Apollo 13 as a kid you just couldn’t you couldn’t tell yeah he’s
just so good and yeah definitely influential wonderful conversation and
we have more of these conversations on offworld other episodes if you want to
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42 thoughts on “Apollo 13’s Attention to Detail – Offworld Episode 28

  1. I knew and worked for the builder of the spacesuits in Apollo 13. He also built the spacesuits for Mission to Mars. Sadly he passed away in 2001. His name was Jim Adamson. He built the spacesuits out of his garage in Salinas California

  2. Thanks for doing this. Apollo 11 is far and away my favorite movie. I was a young teen when I first saw it, and there are so many things that will stay with me forever. It is the reason why I tear up every time I see a big rocket launch.

  3. My favorite scene is from the From the Earth to the Moon when they are describing the geology of Moon from the lander.

  4. If Adam wants a movie about the Soviet space program there’s a Russian film from 2017 called “Salyut 7” that is a somewhat loose adaptation of the Soyuz T-13 mission to repair the dead Salyut 7 station.

  5. I would love to see you guys have scott manley on and have a good discussion and science thrown in but I love listening in on these conversations

  6. Apollo 13 is one of my favorite movies. I was already very into space stuff when I saw it in theaters (when I was 14, like Ryan) but it was still deeply inspiring to me. And the VFX totally hold up. The UHD release looks amazing.

  7. And I want to take a moment to draw attention to the late James Horner's soundtrack which has become THE THEME of space flight and apollo. Magical stuff. I loved First Man, but I can't watch a Saturn V launch without thinking of James Horner's amazing music.

  8. I loved the conversation on this one. Apollo 13 is my favorite movie, I've watched it at least 50 times. I had no idea the Kansas Cosmosphere had anything to do the the space suits in the movie. I got a laugh when Ryan Nagata mentioned he wanted to visit the Cosmosphere but heard it was kind of in the middle of nowhere. I was born and spent my first 10 years in Hutchinson,KS where it's located and remember thinking my town was the center of the universe. But he was right it's really off the beaten path.

  9. I wish they did a docudrama about the first manned Skylab mission, what they had to do to deploy the solar wing, to deploy the parasol, enduring the heat inside… all with Pete Conrad's notorious foul mouth!

  10. A great movie would be about Apollo 17. With all the hardware, lunar excursion module, lunar Rover and Saturn V just to name a few working perfectly as advertised.

  11. The computer animation was horrendous, for someone who grew up watching the Apollo documentaries of the 1980's. Smoke in 1995 looked like a game of pong with balls of cotton candy. The camera views were flying around like a music video.

  12. I would very highly recommend the Russian movie Salyut 7, which I believe is on Amazon Prime. It is billed as Apollo 13 meets Gravity, which I think is a fair description. It is centered around the true story Soyuz T-13 rescue mission of the Salyut 7 space station which lost power while unmanned and was derelict. It takes some liberties here and there, mainly fictionalizing names and a few heavily fictionalized unbelievable stretches but the CGI is great. There are really a few wow CGI moments in that movie, which I won’t spoil but it is well worth a watch for any space nerd, subtitles and all.

    The most fascinating part of that mission was the two pilots needing to intercept and rendezvous with the derelict station manually (no power = no automatic docking system) while it was rotating and slightly tumbling. Well worth the time to watch the movie and if you have Prime, at no (additional) cost to you.

  13. Adam really does not mention that over 65% of the Apollo technology is lost – even with the plans and the basic knowledge it would be almost impossible to duplicate this equipment

  14. I'd like to see Challenger get the Apollo 13 treatment. Obviously not a happy ending, but the events leading up to that day are pretty interesting.

  15. I can recommend the British film In the Shadow of the Moon a documentary film (not to be confused with the more recent film with the same name) https://youtu.be/u-eppIGCW8w

  16. In 2 years, more time will have passed since the release of Apollo 13 than between the Apollo 13 mission and the movie.

  17. Thanks for this. I really loved Apollo 13 and The Martian. I agree that Apollo 13 grounded in reality enhances the experience. I enjoy a lot of Sci-fi/space themed movies. It inspired me to rewatch again tonight. It’s a perfect balance of cast, story, drama, excitement, emotion, engineering, direction, realism and special effects.

  18. Good and fun show. For some rather moving music try Public Broadcasting Service's The Race For Space. You won't regret it.

  19. 22:31 The Tom Cruise 2017 remake of "The Mummy" contained footage filmed in the "Vomit Comet." Also, I've read that Ron Howard insisted on using the actual (Beta?) thread in the movie spacesuits that NASA used for the actual suits, even though the thread was extremely expensive and nobody else would be able to tell the difference. Howard wanted realism.

  20. Fly into Wichita and visit the Kansas Aviation museum. About an hour outside of Wichita is the cosmosphere. Would be a good trip.

  21. There have been 2 Russian films about the Early Soviet Efforts that are well worth watching. They are about Yuri Gagarin flight (with flashbacks within the film covering his life before the flight) and one about the flight of Voskhod 2 which covers some of Alexei Leonov life from when he was selected to be a cosmonaut. They have been released on DVD with English subtitles.

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