Dear New York Times…

Dear New York Times…


– Dear New York Times, I love you, I do. I genuinely appreciate what you do. You are one of the institutions
that I have faith in, that gives me hope that we’ll find our way through
this sea of misinformation and fake news. I mean, I pay for your content,
you’re on my home screen. I love The Daily with Michael
Barbaro and those guys, I listen to it, I consume your content probably more consistently
than anyone else’s. So it was an absolute shock and frustration and pain to me when I saw the article posted by Ivan Penn on June 22nd of 2019, that was arguing electric
vehicles are not ready for the mainstream because of this one use
case in this one trip he went on that was just complete. Let me explain. (upbeat music) Your journalist went on a trip
from Los Angeles to Las Vegas and I agree that’s a
common trip people do. It is around four and
a half hours of driving depending on how fast you go and he did it with a
representative from EVgo, somebody that makes an electric
vehicle charging network. Now, the trip, the title
was eight hours driving in over five hours charging. That is a long trip and one that would
certainly deter most people. But the problem I have, and it’s not with the
reporter or the credibility or any of that, I think he did a good job, as I would expect from anyone that is employed by The New York Times, the problem was in the setup and the situation that
he was testing this in and then somehow extrapolating
that onto the mainstream because long distance road trips certainly are an achilles heel
for electric vehicles today and a few years back, that
was not even an option, but the situation that he chose, the vehicle and the charging network were also the worst ones, almost the worst ones you
could possibly choose. Instead of choosing the more popular ones that actually exist in
a market on a trip like, instead of trying to find the truth of what this one use case, which doesn’t even
represent normal daily life, instead of finding that, you chose an absolute worst case scenario and then used that as your example. And being someone that is an
advocate for electric vehicles, I did this exact same
trip to show you exactly what that trip would be like in a 2018 Tesla Model three
Long Range Rear-wheel Drive, one of the most common
ones that they have sold. So on my trip, I went from
Hawthorne, California, which is right near LAX, all the way to the center
of the Las Vegas strip at The LINQ Hotel. Along the way, I stopped
in Baker, California, the same place your reporter did and I used the bathroom, grabbed a snack and charged at the super
charging station there, just near the World’s Largest Thermometer. I didn’t take any additional time other than grabbing a snack
and going to the bathroom. I was ready to go, I had plenty of charge
to continue my journey and make it all the way to my destination. After arriving in Vegas, I had lots of range left because I stopped in Baker for
those 10 minutes to charge. But the hotel I was staying at also had a charger for me to use. The next morning, I left around 8:00 a.m. and headed back to Hawthorne. This time my car actually
had a bit more energy than from before because it kind of
rebalanced the battery pack, you know you’re not
supposed to charge to a 100% all the time but after you do that, it actually adjust to have
the correct range reading, so it was more this
time than it had before. Now, on the way back, I was deciding to try and push it and see if I could actually
make it all the way back to where I started in Hawthorne without having to stop and charge at all. Now, I did stop in Yermo, California and there is a supercharger there but I did not charge, I stopped, I used the
bathroom, grabbed a coffee, and I was on my way. It was about 10 minutes give or take, so very similar to my
stop on the way there. In the mountain range
between Yermo and Hawthorne, I got a little nervous as my
car was reporting less range, fewer miles that I could
actually travel than I had to go, meaning I wasn’t going to make it. However, I knew better because as I descended
from the mountain range, my self-charging electric vehicle added range back to the battery pack and when I was done with the
mountain range headed on, I had plenty of miles left in the tank in order to get to my destination. So I arrived back in
Hawthorne where I started, with almost 20 miles of range to go. While there, I grabbed lunch
at a nearby restaurant. This again was another of the
Tesla V three superchargers, in fact it was the very first
one that they ever unveiled. So the rate of charge was abnormally high but it is a reality, this
isn’t some test example, this is a real world case that many people in LA
could do if they so chose. So as you saw, the trip
to LA and Vegas and back, I spent about nine hours driving,
four and a half each way, and I charged once for 10 minutes, not at all like the results
that your reporter got in his trip. But there are a few things here
I do wanna just make clear, that I feel were wrong or
incorrect in your reporting. The first one is you state, most electric cars need to be plugged in after they’ve traveled 200 to 250 miles. Well in Q one of 2019, Tesla’s sales represented over
75% of all electric vehicles in the United States. Tesla sells three models
with ranges of 310, 325, and 370 miles, giving them
an average of 335 miles. So unless you have a different
definition of the word most, I would say that most EVs
can go for about 300 miles before needing to be plugged in, that would give you that 10%
buffer down at the bottom and that’s essentially what I did, it wasn’t even 300 miles in my test. In your piece, you also
wrote that chargers are often missing in places
where people need them. However, on this trip I passed
five supercharging stations and in LA there are dozens more plus hundreds of
destination charging stops. These are just the Tesla options. Teslas can also use regular EV chargers in addition to their own network making this number even larger. In this region of the world where your test was done and that statement was made, chargers are bountiful,
they are everywhere, so to say that they don’t
exist in these places is just a complete
misnomer, it’s just wrong. Now, your reporter took a Chevy Bolt and Chevy represented
about 10% of the EV sales in Q one of 2019 here
in the United States. So you could argue it’s kind
of a strange choice, right, kind of a niche, a rare option, not definitely the mainstream one that is selling like crazy, Teslas. So that was an interesting choice but part of that lead
to a statement you made saying that, Bolts as for
other electric vehicles, experts generally recommend
keeping the battery between 30 and 80% charge
for optimal battery life. And there’s something you
should understand about this, that not all battery
packs in electric vehicles are made the same. Tesla makes their own, they actually design how
this whole thing works, that is probably their
most valuable asset, is how to make a battery
pack in an electric car and all the amazing benefits
that that affords you. So in a Tesla, you do not need to keep
it between 30 and 80%. This is why the data that we see shows that these things should
last well over 500000 miles before dropping below
a 70% degradation mark. That means that your Nissan LEAFs and your Chevy Bolts of the
world aren’t the same thing, so when an expert says 30 to 80%, that is not the case for Teslas. And Elon Musk has also
confirmed this recently, talking about the driving habits and that every so often you want to just charge
it all the way down and charge it all the way back up. So if you wanted to
keep within that range, that is safe for a Tesla, you still could do this trip
without having to even stop. And the last point I wanna make is that in your article you claim that charging on average costs 10 dollars for about 200 miles, depending on the car, or about half the typical cost of gasoline for that distance, according to AAA. Our experience was not as economical, we spent about 67 dollars on electricity, perhaps 10 dollars less
than we might have on gas. This is madness, this
is absolute crazy talk. A lot of Tesla owners buy
their cars with a referral and that referral gives them a 1000 miles, now it’s varied,
sometimes it was 5000 etc. but there are also other benefits where a lot of the older cars get free, unlimited supercharging for life, in fact that’s even a current deal as of recording this. And so the cost associated
with a trip like this would be nowhere near 67 dollars and I believe Chevy Bolt owners also get two free years
of charging at EVgo, so I have no idea how you
paid 67 dollars for charging, considering you were
going with an EVgo rep, it doesn’t make any sense to me at all. Now, I, as you may have guessed, am a person that has racked
up a bunch of referrals and through that have plenty of miles of free supercharging that I could use. So I didn’t pay for any
of the charging here, but typically I wouldn’t pay
for destination charging at all and when I leave my
trip I would’ve paid for whatever my rate was at my house. So the cost, the incremental cost here would’ve been that one
stop I did in Baker, where I actually pulled 24
kilowatt hours of energy and at the 28 cents per kilowatt rate, that is currently the price in California, I would’ve spent six dollars and 72 cents had I needed to pay for it. So 67 dollars is astronomical. I have no idea what’s going on there but something about that statement or that situation is just completely false and completely wrong. So look, when it comes down to it, I know you’re a large organization, no one from The New York Times
probably will even watch this or care but I wanted to
do this video for anyone that saw that article and felt like that represented the truth because as I’ve kind of shown here in my actual testing of
doing it in a popular EV, a modern EV, not a niche one that is not gonna travel
as far on a niche network that isn’t gonna support you as well, that’s just not the case. So what was described in that article is not reality for the majority of people and that’s why I wanted to do this video for anyone that wondered about that and had questions on it. Now, there’s probably some stuff I missed and I do not need to ask
you guys to remind me of those things down in the comments because I, like The New York Times, we make mistakes from time to time. So I hope you guys enjoyed this video. Let me know in the
comments section down below and don’t forget, when you free the data, your mind will follow. I’ll see you guys back
here in the next one. (upbeat music) Hey, thanks for watching the video, I hope you got something out of it. If you wanna dive deeper and actually see a raw
vlog from my whole trip, of all the different things and sights and everything that happened, go check me out on
patreon.com/teslanomics, join the community and engage
with everyone else there. Hope to see you soon.

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100 thoughts on “Dear New York Times…

  1. You gave the New-York Time way too much credit. This FUD article was entirely deliberate. No one is THAT stupid. They perfectly knew what they were doing. Same as usual, follow the money…

  2. The NYT is leftist-propaganda-"OILIGARCH"-rubbish. This is your RED PILL MOMENT! They are BIG OIL and they are killing Tesla stock, with permission from the SEC. WAKE UP!

  3. It was not the first time, The New York Times have got it wrong. Thank you for doing the research. I don't have a Tesla but hope to some day.

  4. NYT is going the way of most establishment media that lean too far left or too far right. They've become too calculating, too focused to manipulation, and they're all being killed by unbiased internet content makers. Please stop wasting your money and time reading that shit rag.

  5. So frustrating to know the truth of how convenient Tesla EV long distance travel is and then to read articles like this. I generally do not gravitate towards a conspiracy view of the world, but the sheer volume of these misleading articles by reputable sources does make one wonder.

    The one feature I would like added to Superchargers would be a way to set how long you want to charge for. Often my charge time is not long enough to grab a quick bite to eat and bathroom break before the phone warning is delivered about overtime charges. Of course this should only be valid when there are open spaces.

  6. Few issues.
    1. Bolt does not get any free charging.

    2. They charged at L2 instead of going to working DCFC, and counted that in their charge time (so your charge time would be 9+ hours).

    3. Price is $67, because they charged when the car is tapered and EVGO bills by time not kWh.

  7. Thank you for posting. Odd that the same people who admonish any behaviour they deem not environmentally correct, can’t see it within themselves to encourage EV’s in general, and Tesla in particular as the premier EV maker in the world. Funny how ten years after being introduced there is still no car that comes close to the Model S. I am including Porsche and Audi’s attempts here as well. Thanks for showing up is about as kind as I’d be to these new comers.

  8. Hi Ben, I agree the amount they paid is way off. I own a model 3 and do not have any referrals. I made a 5,000 mile trip this Summer and did all my charging through Super Chargers and cost me around $250. Also I had no issues locating chargers. I drove through 8 western states in this trip with no problems.

  9. AS for the charging costs, we just crossed over 10,000 miles in one year of ownership of a M3 LR. We live in a Brooklyn apt with NO home charging at all. We use our local urban supercharger mostly, and supercharge on longer road trips. We've never paid more than $15 to fill up, and that was an extreme case (Day rates in CT @$.31/min), most times it's less than $10. $67 would probably last us six weeks or more. I know how much it costs to keep an electric car charged and it's not $67 for 600 miles, it's more like $25 at the most.

  10. The pricing issue is with EVGo. EVGo will post $6 charge on their charger and then charge you over $1 a Kilowatt. EVGo is a total ripoff! If you have an EVGo accout, they charge you MORE then if you don't have the account! EVGo is crap!

  11. Yeah the NYT article sounds about like Anderson Cooper's question to Bernie about what is going to make people want to by a low power electric car.

  12. Dear Ben – Love your content. Watch every one. Trust your opinion. One thing though….is it possible that the NY Times just ran their first dishonest article? Maybe not….and it's because you're very educated on the subject. There may be more articles that follow the same pattern? Just a thought.

  13. You have learnt that law where those who are knowledgeable on a subject often find the press to be wildly innacurate on that topic, yet still believe them on topics you are not expert on.. the more you see it the more you learn they are useless/fake across the board

  14. The New York Times increasingly depends on new subscribers for revenue, less so on traditional advertisers. I wonder if their EV story is the click-bait equivalent?

  15. I guess at the price point of the bolt ("an affordable EV"), you would get a model 3 standard range plus, and given that, then 200 miles of range is probably a fair statement, but it should be qualified as such.

  16. New York Times and L.A times are sime of the BS news agency that is completely anti electrics cars. Check out L.A time YouTube channel recently you will see a bunch of anti Tesla.👎🙈💩.

  17. So while you are pointing out how ny provides misinformation I find some of your examples also misinforming the viewers. Please note I have no intention of supporting ny. I’m just common citizen. I just want both of you to tell the truth and not guide people in the wrong direction because both of you (ny or you) have some personal gains to be made. I don’t know.
    So you make a lot of assumptions in your example.

    1. You by default used Tesla while there are other EVs out there. What if the non EV people want to buy a cheaper EVs and can’t afford a Tesla. Can they still run this trip in 9 hours and charge only for 10 min ?

    2. You chose a hotel that had a super charger and just glossed over that fact real fast. Not everyone will choose that hotel. What if I’m staying in some best western that doesn’t have any charger let alone super charger. So you had an advantage of probably charging overnight there which obviously cut almost all 4 hours of charging needed for the trip back.

    I know we haven’t reached where we want to be yet. I own a Tesla myself. I just think there’s a lot of work yet to be done.

    Like I said I am ev enthusiast myself. But I want both sides to be honest and truthful so we as a community propel forward and bring this exciting technology to masses and not make excuses why we all should jump in EVs right away.

  18. If this is the first time you've noticed the NYT put out fake news you have not been paying attention. Perhaps its a bias. Look at the data man! The legacy media is completely opinion and no longer news. Very little truth anymore.

  19. I know you wanted to say it Ben but you held back so I'll say it for you. The NYT flat out lied. They told lie after lie after lie to satisfy the people who pay for advertisements selling ICE cars. It was totally not a mistake. They are as corrupt as the rest of the legacy media.

  20. Ben, remember the private charging stations charge HIGHER rates than Tesla’s $.26 – $.28 kW! Last I used them with my Leaf, the cheapest (with membership) was $1 to $1.49. Although they may not have paid $67, the charges for the trip COULD have been that much.
    Media: Truth in reporting MATTERS!

  21. I agree I have a Tesla and travel all over the United States and never have had an issue with finding charging station etc. This article reminds me about the old documentary “ who killed the electric car” but those select main media outlets they are still trying to discredit EV. We will see a major change in the next 5 years with every auto manufacture and continued expansion of the EV charging grids. This reporter and writers are bonkers and don’t know there stuff!!!!

    I would write the editor and ask for a retraction of the article as it’s false and sounds bias towards EV. Sounds like the writer dislikes EV and is affiliated with the big OIL companies.

  22. I travel twice a month to visit my sick dad, from yosemite park to rancho Mirage, now about twice a month. it is 402 miles. I charge at the bottom of the grape vine for about 45 minutes and this is my lunch spot. I go the rest of the way to my destination and normally have about 70 miles left. My speed is about 75 to 80 MPG. The auto pilot is a must, it make the trip so easy especially in traffic. the car is a 2018 model 3.

  23. Hey Ben-I noticed around 4:15 in the video you had a driver profile that says, "Ben Solo". Is there something you set differently in the driver profile when you are by yourself vs with the family? Or is this just another Star Was pun…? 🙂

  24. Thank you; this makes me want a Tesla even more. I’m waiting for the reveal of the Tesla truck to finalize my choice. Great vid-article

  25. This alleged journalist COULD restore his integrity by repeating the trip in a best-case long-range Tesla Model 3. Will he? (Ben, glad you are finally waking up to the reason I quit reading the NYT daily long ago: bias towards the crumbling power structure, to include Detroit).

  26. P.S. Ben, please send a letter to the Editor with a link to this. Make them aware of their bias, even if they never dare publish it.

  27. Big oil and big auto will not go down without a fight filled with andspreading Fear, Uncertainty, and distress about the EV model.
    Each day they can delay puts $200 million in big oil's bank.

  28. I have taken several long road trips (over 1000 miles) in my long range Model 3. The cost of charging on those trips was between $50-$60 dollars per trip, this is about 1/3 the cost of gasoline for the same trip. It only takes about 20-25 minutes of charging per stop to get back up to 90% or more, by the time you hit a restroom and grab something to eat your ready to go. I don't find it practical to charge to 100% as it does increase charge time significantly with minimal increase in range and it also limits the regenerative braking. If you have never driven a Tesla you have no idea what you are missing…

  29. Odd thing about EV reporting is the obvious lack of EV experience by some. I'd guess all reviewers of ICE cars actually drive ICE cars daily. Would you read a Lambo review by a commercial truck reporter?, or visa versa? No.

  30. How can you possibly like the New York Times? We call them the toilet paper of record around here. Mainstream media is done, finished, on the way to permanent extinction. YouTube and channels like yours are the future and the real media.

  31. I can confirm that long trips in a Tesla are great. Charging is fast and inexpensive. I have a Model 3, recently took 2 round trips from SW Florida to NC. Totaled 3000 miles. Total charging costs was $75. That would’ve cost about $250 in am ICE car at 30 mpg. And there was no extra time spent waiting for charging. I used superchargers while eating and rest room breaks. I also used free destination chargers at overnight stops and recharged for free at the NC friends’ home. Also recharged at home and I spend no time to plug in overnight and almost no money. I’ve had some great cars in my life and the Tesla is the best in every aspect. An amazing leap in automobiles!! BTW, when I read reviews like the NYT I have to laugh when I ask myself what I miss about a rest stop gas fill up. The crappy food? Nope. The odor of gasoline? Nope.

  32. This video made it clear that Mainstream Media (Regardless of where you at, Regardless of the media company and what the topic is) are all full of BS…. so yeah.. YouTube and people like Ben Sullins are the best news of unbiased topic especially EVs.. Thank you Ben!

  33. Tesla's share of all the cars sold in America is 1.13%, and represents 53.79% of all EVs sold.
    The Chevy Bolt, 9.89% of all EVs sold, about 20% of Tesla's share. Not really a "niche" filler among EVs as not very many different EVs are available beyond two states on the West coast.
    Obviously the Bolt and M3 are chalk and cheese, not really comparable; but some are going to make those long-distance drives in their Bolts, because that's the car they have.

  34. Excellent, and necessary, video. The NYT is a serious and valuable organization. However, it has allowed some journalists to publish false information about Tesla and electric cars. For that reason, I suspended my subscription to this important publication. Although I admit missing the Times, I believe it is time to stop supporting pro fossil fuel propaganda. Neal Boudette is the worse at the Times when writing about Tesla.

  35. Scrolling through the comments and discovering a lot of people driving ridiculous distances. It's almost as if there were no passenger rail system in America. Oh wait…

  36. I know what you mean about NYT being a beacon. However, that beacon has been flickering erratically in the recent years. While some things they bring-up are true, this is definitely a deeply flawed write-up. I've driven from Sacramento to San Diego in my LR/AWD Model 3 and spent ~$25 on Superchargers in either direction; so yeah, about 1/3-1/2 of the gas cost, so their math doesn't add up.

  37. I live in Kentucky. Can't get any more middle of America than here. So thought I'd share with you my 2 cents. After just a couple of months with the Model 3 with 'only' 240 miles of range we've already done several road trips and we don't have any range anxiety – even with only 2 supercharger spots in the entire state! Waited 3 years as a reservation holder, but I've never been happier or prouder than buying this car. Oh yeah and last time I charged on non Tesla chargers cost me $2.70. $67 bucks for charging? Yeah, nope

  38. Ben, I think you are too kind and polite toward the NY Times. 
    Deja' vu: NY Times reporters for some reason had history of rigging up stories and building up fake facts starting with first model S launched back 2013.

  39. Your conclusion on the absurdity of the $67 spent on charging is sound, but arguing that its absurd because people have free supercharging is illogical. Why didn't you just look at the calculations to make that determination? At $0.28 per kWh, they would have purchased 240 kWh of power. The Chevy Bolt has an efficiency rating of 28 kWh / 100 miles… meaning that the 240 kWh purchased would have given the Chevy Bolt a total range output of 850 miles… the amount required for the trip was only 560 miles. So yea, the $67 is BS, but not for the reasons stated in your video

  40. In a Bolt you don't need to keep your battery at 80% either. Chevy designed it so that you get maximum battery life even if you charge to 100%. The reporter was just making things up at that point.

  41. Having driven long distances in a Nissan Leaf and a Tesla, this article doesn't add up. The reporter traveling with an EVgo rep makes it even more non-sensical. But hey NYT has never slighted EVs before (Tesla driven poorly by a Mr. Broder).

  42. NY Times does this with all their content. I think if you started fact checking their articles more often you’d stop turning to them as a news source. I mean you only caught this one because you know a lot of Tesla and EV cars. If you didn’t know a lot about the topic, you would just buy right into what the NYT says…just like the majority of there readers. Case and point, don’t trust one news source, do your own due diligence people!

  43. Excellent unmasking of a bandit! Great video Ben!

    That claim of.spending $60+ is ridiculous! Even if you were adding the cost of your Chick-fil-A combo should not go that high.

    That journalist should be 🔥

  44. Why would u pay for NYT?!?! NYT is biased media. If GM, Ford, Mercedes etc. are their biggest advertisers and Tesla has an ad budget of $0, don’t expect flattering Tesla stories. NYT is a business. Tesla will be on their hit list until Tesla starts advertising in the NYT, then, Magically all of the negative Tesla articles will stop

  45. Define Mainstream please? What price bracket defines mainstream. 35k? wrong. That's still accounts for 33% of all vehicle sales, and 66% of THAT is light trucks and SUV. Used vehicle still holds 66% of all vehicle sales to date

    Its not mainstream yet, I can appreciate the enthusiasm tho.

  46. Great job Ben. Electricity cost should be about 1/2 if using superchargers (which are expensive), or about 1/4 if using the grid from home for an equivalent car (Tesla Model 3 Performance vs BMW M3).

  47. Isn’t the Chevy Volt the more reasonable “mainstream” car price wise though? Sure it hasn’t sold the most but it would be the most affordable when you consider the mainstream as the likely future sales target market.

  48. I don’t know what the agenda is with these tabloids but in the UK we recently had a hugely biased article about the new all electric VW claiming it was the future of the EV. For me, the writer had no credibility as he didn’t know the difference between power and energy (he claimed the VW had a 150kWh motor) and also claimed there were 100,000 ionity chargers in Europe . On the charger topic, what are your thoughts on Tesla cars being able to use other charging points but only Tesla owners can use the Tesla network of chargers?

  49. so , you lost ALL credit . You are blind. They are BIASED against Tesla and everyone else that is not lefty. shame on you for not seeing this

  50. Hi Ben, I think you should include your home charging and destination charging into electricity costs. Not everyone can get their charging for free and it's pretty clear hotels will start charging for electricity sooner or later. Fast/Super charger networks incentives will also go sooner or later.

  51. This article is.. very wrong.. I do long road trips in my Model 3 LR all the time. The first was a 2500 mile loop around Oregon and Washington. The second was from San Jose to Reno by way of Riverside all in one day. I'm going on another in a week here to tour all of the dams of the Columbia river (including up into Canada), and next spring I'm planning an attempted run all the way to Prudhoe Bay, AK.

    If I can drive my stupid EV to the northern most road on the continent (admittedly, with some planning), I can go pretty much anywhere. 😛

  52. Maybe NYT and consumer reports owned by the same people…. they both are hell bent on misleading people…. still Tesla succeeds

  53. I disagree with your criticism regarding the New York times article. Average buyer and consumer can't afford the newest and shinest Tesla and everything that comes with. This video is just a rant of a Tesla biased hipster non critical thinker overtaken by pure consumer mentality. And, yes, It's just a showcase for the majority of people.

  54. If u don't know mainstream media is pushing a narrative for the handful of people that own them, then u r in for a rude awakening.

  55. Tesla on a title is now just click bait from the Tesla haters. They are aware that Tesla supporters will flood the articles in defense. That is why CNBC, Bloomberg Tech and etc whenever Tesla does anything they tweak titles just to troll people! Its just white noise. I look forward to the day Tesla comes to Nairobi, Kenya.

  56. Not really surprised the article was plenty of wrong arguments against EVs. The expert was not at all an expert, he probably don't like his car, has no idea about common practice and took advantage he has access to a mass media to fight EVs.

  57. Unfortunately, the NY Times is no longer the reliable source of news that it used to be. For example, since I moved to Israel, I have discovered that their reporting on this country and on the Palestinians is rarely accurate at all. And I'm sure there are many more examples that I'm not aware of.

  58. The title is not really good. IMHO there should be something that explains what is it about. Like Dear NY… You're wrong about EVs. Or EVs are better than you think. Or The real trip from LA to Vegas.

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