House Environment and Natural Resources Finance Division – part 2  3/19/19

House Environment and Natural Resources Finance Division – part 2 3/19/19


>>READY TO START. SO I’M GOING TO MOVE THAT HOUSE FILE 2015 BE LAID OVER FOR POSSIB LE INCLUSION.>>THANK YOU. HOUSE FILE 2015 PROVIDES A STATE RESPONSE TO A GROWING PROBLEM POSED BY THE — WE HAVE LEARNED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT WITH A COMMUNITIES IN MINNESOTA ARE CURRENTLY FACE AND GO WHAT ALL OF US WILL FACE AS THE EAB — DEALING WITH THE EXPENSE OF REPLACING ASH TREES. THIS BILL IDENTIFIES JURISDICTIONS FOR THE RESPONSE PROBLEM TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES. THE BILL INDICATES THE TYPE OF WORK THAT WILL BE APPROPRIATE FOR FUNDING. I HAVE A NUMBER OF WITNESSES THAT CAN SPEAK TO THIS BILL AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.>>THANK YOU. I’M A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIO NERS. WE ESTIMATE THAT IN THE AREA THERE WILL BE OVER 1 .6 MILLION — AS A RESULT. WOOD– OPEN BURNING IS NOT ALLOWED. THERE AREN’T VERY MANY MARKETS FOR THIS. AND THOSE ARE QUITE LIMITED. THE MOST RELIABLE IS USING BIOMASS ENERGY PLANTS. THIS BILL WOULD SUPPORT THE NECESSARY MARKET. WITHOUT THE RELIABLE — WE CAN SEE STOCK PILING AND THAT CARRIES A BIG RISK. THERE ARE A FEW LEGAL WAYS TO DEAL WITH IT AND WE CAN EXPECT THAT THERE WILL BE MORE ILLEGAL BUMPDUMPING.>>THANK YOU. THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES. GRATEFUL FOR THE AUTHOR PUTTING THIS FORWARD. THE LEAGUE STRONGLY SUPPORTS THIS. I’M HERE MAKING COMMENTS ON BE HALF OF THE COUNTY SUPPORTING TH IS. THE CITIES ARE THE FRONT LINE OF WHAT IS BEING DEALT WITH RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS; IN MINNESOTA WE HAVE 17 COUNTIES THAT ARE UNDER QUARTER TE– AND THE SOUTHERN THIRD OF ST. LOUIS. IT WILL CONTINUE TO SPREAD. WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT THIS IS A PEST THAT IF WE DON’T SLOW IT DOWN IT CAN BE FINANCIALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR OUR COUNTIES TO DEAL WITH IT. YOU CAN HAVE I AM POSSIBLY HIGH COSTS THAT ARE SUDDENLY HITTING YOUR BUDGET. THESE TREES DIE VERY QUICKLY AND THEY BECOME A PUBLIC SAFETY RISK. A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR TREES WERE REPLACED WITH ASH TREE. SO IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TRYING TO PACE THAT OUT AND COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS IN THE MEANTIME. THE REAL LONG-TERM ISSUE IS OUR NORTHERN CASH — ASH FOREST. SO THAT’S WHY WE BOTHER DOING THIS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY DO NEED TO WORK ON. OUR CITIES WITH SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR DOING THIS ON THEIR OWN. THEY’RE STARTING TO FALL BEHIND. THEY CAN’T KEEP UP ON THE COST. WE NEED TO DEAL WITH GETTING THE PLANNING DONE. GETTING THE REMOVE ALAL; REPLACEMENT WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE. WE’RE GOING TO NEED THE STATE TO BE AN ACTIVE FINANCIAL PARTNER. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.>>ANY QUESTIONS?>>THANK YOU. I WORK FOR THE DNR DIVISION OF FORESTRY. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. THE THREAT IS REAL AND IT IS SERIOUS. YOU HEARD THE TESTIMONY ABOUT THIS ISSUE. YOU — WE HAVE ONE BILLION ASH TREES IN MINNESOTA. WE HAVE THE LARGEST POPULATION. ONE IN FIVE OF OUR TREES IN OUR COMMUNITIES ARE ASH. THEY ALSO NEED TO DEVELOP ASH MANAGEMENT PLANS. THEY NEED THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO MAKE THE PLANS AND IMPLEMENT THEM. IMPLEMENTING THEM MEANS TREATING THEM WHERE APPROPRIATE. REREMOVE ALAL AND REPLANTING. IF COMMUNITIES ARE NOTABLE TO HAVE THE FINANCIAL MEANS AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE; THEY WILL HAVE COMMUNITIES WITH DEAD ASH. IF THEY ARE NOTABLE TO MANAGEMENT THAT MEANS THEY INCREASED THE — IN OUR STATE WHICH WILL HAVE MUCH BROADER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. WE KNOW THAT THIS APPROACH IS A WAY TO ADDRESS COST AND MORE EASILY ABSORB THE IMPACTS. THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU; COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I’M THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY FORESTRY. I HAVE BEEN HERE TALKING WITH YOU IN VARIOUS MEMBERS OF YOUR COLLEAGUES TO TALK ABOUT — FOR THE PAST FIVE SESSIONS. EAB IS A BIG PROBLEM. WE KNOW THAT TREES HAVE VALUE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. SO WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT ASH TREES WE’RE TALKING ABOUT AN 18-INCH ASH TREE. THOSE BENEFITS INCLUDE STORM WATER BENEFITS. PROVIDING SHADE AND COOLING. ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU DON’T REALLY ATTRIBUTE TO A TREE. WHEN WE LOSE A LARGE AMOUNT OF TREES IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. SO I THOUGHT THAT I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT EACH ONE OF YOUR DISTRICTS. THESE ARE TREES THAT ARE MOWED AROUND. I ONLY COUNTEDED MINNEAPOLIS ONCE. WE’RE LOOKING AT 300;000 TREES; ASH TREES IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS EACH OF YOUR DISTRICTS. 300;000 TREES. JUST PICKING ONE COMMUNITY OUT OF YOUR DISTRICT. EVERY COMMUNITY WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS. SMALL COMMUNITIES; LARGE COMMUNITIES. SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE 60 PERCENT ASH TREES. REPLANTING TWO GENERATIONS. IT TAKES TWO GENERATIONS TO RESTORE THOSE BENEFITS. WE NEED THIS FUNDING TO HELP COMMUNITIES MANAGE THIS PEST. WE CAN’T WAIT. WE NEED THIS FUNDING NOW SO THAT WE CAN PLAN AND MANAGE THIS. I WELCOME YOUR QUESTIONS. I’M HAPPY TO SHARE THE DATA FROM EACH OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT I PICKED. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIM E.>>MANY COMMUNITIES IN THE METRO AREA — AND STATE SOURCES OF FUNDING ARE NEEDED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT THIS HOUSE FILE.>>ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY FOR OR AGAINST THIS BILL? ANY CLOSING REMARKS?>>JUST REAL BRIEFLY. IT REALLY OPENED MY ICE THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS NOT GOING AWAY AND WE NEED TO BE FULLY ENGAGED. I THINK IT IS A GOOD BILL AND NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD.>>I WILL RENEW MY MOTION. 2015 BE LAID OVER FOR POSSIBLE INCLUSION. THE BILL IS LAID OVER.>>WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE YOUR BILL?>>I WOULD MOVE THAT HOUSE FILE 1928 BE RE-REFERRED TO THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE. >>THE DE AMENDMENT WAS POSTED YESTERDAY. I’M GOING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS. I’D ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO LOOK AT THE 1928 — IT IS ABOUT $260 MILLION FROM THE — FUND. WE HAD TO CUT ABOUT 1 .5 MILLION ROUGHLY FROM THE AMOUNT AND THEN THE DE AMENDMENT CHANGES APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 15 MILLION WITH IN THE FUND. I’M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE CHANGES. THERE SHOULD BE A SPREADSHEET IN YOUR PACKET. THE MAJOR CHANGES ARE AS FOLLOWS. FOR EVERGREEN WOULD INCREASE TO FIVE MILLION A YEAR. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WERE REMOVED. TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. ACADEMIC RESEARCH AND EVALUATION. VEGETATIVE SOIL AND HEALTH. I WANT TO NOTE THAT WE PROVIDE A DEFINITION IN THE BILL FOR MICRO PLASTIC AND NANO PLASTICS. ONLINE 4.7 THE PROGRAM; THE DE3 AMENDMENT — THE APPROPRIAT ION FOR PESTICIDES REQUIRES TESTING. SO THROUGHOUT THE DE THERE ARE INCREASED MONITORING WHO ARE MICRO PLASTICS AND NANA PLASTICS AFTER THE REPORTS THAT WE HEARD TWO WEEKS AGO ABOUT INCREASED PLASTICS. THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO PUBLIC FACILITIES AUTHORITY. THE GROUND WATER ASSESSMENT AND ALSO REQUIRES FOR MICRO PLASTIC AND NANO PLASTIC. (INAUDIBLE) — ONLINE 10.4 THE — ASSESSMENT REQUIRING ASSESSMENTS AT LEAST 50 PERCENT MUST BE CONDUCTED IN THE METRO AREA — 12 .5 MILLION — FOR THE CONSERVATION ENHANCEMENT WAS REMOVED. ON SUBDIVISION; LINE 16.21. MAKING CHANGES ARE AVAILABLE UNTIL JUNE 30TH; 2024. ALLOWING GRANTS TO BE EXTENDED. THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA REMOVES THE APPROPRIATION FOR CLEAN WATER RRN ON INVESTMENT PILOT. LEGISLAT IVE OVERSIGHT SIMILAR TO THE — BILL THAT WAS PASSED REQUIRES THE HOUSE AND SENATE FINANCE LEGACY — CLEAN WATER CONSULT AND REPORTS ON THE CONSULT; NO LATER THAN JUNE 30; 2020; AND EVERY FOUR YEARS. A TECHNICAL THAT WOULD I LIKE TO INCORPORATE; CLEAN WATER FUND. NOT THE OUTDOOR HERITAGE FUND.>>IT SHOULD BE CLEAN WATER FUND. I’D LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE AMENDMENT. HOUSE FILE 875 UPDATES AND MODIFIES THE NATURAL RESOURCES WATER DIVISION. INCLUDING THE ARTICLE TWO; THEN THAT 175;000 WOULD BE BROKEN INTO THE CLEAN WATER FUND. SO IN GENERAL WHAT WE DID; THE DE AMENDMENT; IT CUTS THE FIRST YEAR OF (INAUDIBLE) AND REALLOCATES THAT MONEY TO DRINKING WATER AND FOR EVERGREEN. THERE ARE SOME OTHER CHANGES THAT I CAN GO INTO DETAIL. THAT IS THE AMENDMENT. I WOULD MOVE THE INCORPORATED CHANGE.>>ARE THERE QUESTIONS?>>THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE; I’M NOT SEEING IT. I’M SURE IT IS HERE SOMEWHERE. WHAT IS THE RESERVE IN THE CLEAN WATER FUND. THE LANGUAGE REQUIRES A FIVE PERCENT — FROM THE LAST FORECAST. SO THIS WOULD BE THE BALANCE OF — AT THE END. WHICH WOULD BE THE FIVE PERCENT RESERVE. LINE 98 OF THE SPREADSHEET.>>I KNOW WE’RE MAKING A FEW CHANGES HERE. I’M ASSUMING THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATION. JUST CONFIRM THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME COMMUNICATION.>>THANK YOU. YES; THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNICATION WITH THE AGENCIES THAT I TALKED TO OVER THE WEEKEND. COMMISSIONER OF DNR. I TALKED WITH THE (INAUDIBLE) AND I PLAYED TELEPHONE TAG WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF AGRICULTURE.>>SO JUST CONFIRMING THAT EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY? WE’RE ASSUMING THAT THEY ARE.>>I WOULDN’T SAY THAT THEY’RE HAPPY BUT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE’RE DOING. I’M HAPPY FOR THEM TO TESTIFY AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERN.>>YOU TALKED ABOUT BEING IN TOUCH WITH THE AGENCIES. HAVE YOU BEEN IN TOUCH WITH (INAUDIBLE) TO SEE WHAT IS COMING DO NOT THE PATH ON THAT? (INAUDIBLE)>>I HAVE NOT BEEN IN CONTACT. SNOW ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY?>>THERE ARE SOME — WE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO — THE INNER LOCKING PARTS. THIS DOES REFLECT ABOUT A NINE PERCENT CHANGE. I WILL SAY THERE IS ONLY NEW LINE ITEM UP HERE. SO THEAS FINE AND REPRESENTATIVE HANSON HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST. I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE YOU AND SAY THAT THE GOVERNORS (INAUDIBLE) SAID THAT GOVERNOR EXPRESSED INTEREST IN KEEPING RECOMMENDATI ONS SUBMITTED. YOU MAY DO AS YOU WILL. THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU. ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I’M CURIOUS ABOUT. DOES THAT HAVE A FEDERAL MATCHING IMPLICATION? IF IT DOES DO WE HAVE NUMBERS ON THAT?>>THE STATE OF MINNESOTA HAS BEEN GENEROUS. THE APPROPRIATIONS WHERE WE PROVIDE THE CLEAN WATER FUND. ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES TRUST FUND. BONDING DOLLARS FUND. SO ROUGHLY; CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG; WE ALLOCATED OR APPROPRIATED ABOUT 140 MILLION. WE HAVE EXPENDED ABOUT –>>IT HAS BEEN — TO DATE OF WHAT WAS 150 MILLION MATCH THAT IS 175. THE PROGRAM HAS — BASED ON INFORMATION THAT THE SOIL RESOURCES PROVIDED EARLIER THIS YEAR I THINK THEY FUNDED ABOUT 12 THOUSAND ACRES. ;000 ACRES.>>IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WE’RE GOING TO LEAVE AT LEAST SOME FEDERAL DOLLARS ON THE TABLE FOR NOW. IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE WHERE THAT WILL BE MADE UP? ARE WE GOING TO FOREGO THOSE FEDERAL MA TCHING DOLLARS?>>THERE IS NO END DATE ON THE AGREEMENT. SO THE KEY POINT HERE IS TO APPROPRIATE $140 MILLION. THAT’S WHY I PROVIDE THIS — FIRST YEAR. WE MET BY JANUARY FIRST OF 2020 THAT WE HAVE THE TIME TO EITHER DO THIS FOR CLEAN WATER OUTDOOR HERITAGE OR BONDING. WITH THE APPROPRIATATIONS –>>I’M NEVER COMFORTABLE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTINUING ON AS IS AND SO HAVING THAT — THEY CAN TAKE A SHARP TURN. BUT (INAUDIBLE) THANK YOU; I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION.>>ONE MORE QUESTION OR TWO MORE QUESTIONS HERE. I REPRESENT A HUGE AREA OF AGRICULTURE. WHAT IS THE REASONING BEHIND LINE FIVE AND LINE SIX. THE DEPLETION OF THAT TO 0 ON YOUR AUTHOR AMENDMENT.>>ARE YOU ON THE DE?>>I AM. IF YOU LOOK OVER TO NUMBER FIVE E TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. CLEAN WATER COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION. ECONOMIC RESEARCH AND I DO KNOW THAT RESEARCH HAS PLAYED A ROLE IN KEEPING CLEAN WATER. WE ALSO SCOTCHED THAT ON THE AUTHOR AMENDMENT.>>IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL BILL IT WOULD BE ON 1.625. SO WITH IN THE AG WORLD WE’RE PROVIDING THE NUMBER. 1.625 FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. RESEARCH AND — IMPLEMENTATION. SO THESE ARE DEMONSTRATE RATION OVERRULED PROJECTS. FOR THE SECOND YEAR TO RESEARCH THE — SO WE HAVE DEVELOPED THE PROGRAM WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE GOING AGAIN. PROJECTS FOR DRINKING WATER. IN GENERAL THERE IS A LOT MORE DRINKING WATER PROJECTS.>>THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR THEM?>>I’M ASSUMING; JUST IN CASE; I’D LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND (INAUDIBLE) AND HOW YOU GUYS ARE GEARED UP OR NOT GEARED UP.>>WHAT I WOULD SAY IS — WHICH IS 24 HOURS NOTICE AND WE’RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE AUTHOR ON THIS. RIGHT NOW WE WOULD WANT TO STAY WITH THE GOVERNORS RECOMMENDATION.>>I’M ASSISTANCE DI RECTOR (INAUDIBLE) AND I THINK WE NEED MORE TIME TO DIGEST THE CHANGES. WE DID LOSE — DOES DELETE OUR FUNDING FOR TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. BOTH OF THOSE AREAS PROVIDE VALUE AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. THE PRIMARY FUNDING SOURCE FOR CLEAN WATER FUND TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON AGRICULTURE PRACTICES.>>THAT ACTUALLY REALLY HELPS AND SHINES A LIGHT ON THINGS. WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE PROGRAMS SINCE THEY’RE ELIMINATED FROM THIS LINITY? DO THEY CEASE TO EXIST? ARE THERE OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS AVAILABLE?>>MOST OF THOSE PROGRAMS OV — MOST THE FUNDING FOR THOSE PROJECTS (INAUDIBLE) WE DO HAVE A LOT OF –>>THEY GO AWAY AND VANISH?>>TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FUND DOES A NUMBER OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE USE. THE REAL WO RLD DATA IN MINNESOT SOA OV–>>SIMILAR TO WHAT — COMMISSIONER STOKE SAID WE HAVEN’T HAD TIME TO ASSESS THIS. THERE>>ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

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