House Environment and Natural Resources Policy Committee  1/16/19

House Environment and Natural Resources Policy Committee 1/16/19


>>[GAVEL]>>CHAIR: A BRING THIS COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER. I THINK WE HAVE A QUORUM; RIGHT?I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THE RUDIMENTS HERE. NUMBER ONE WELCOME TO OUR F IRST MEETING.AND; THE RULES AND PROCEDURES ARE IN YOUR FOLDERS. WE DON’T HAVE ANY MINUTES YET; WE WILL WORK ON THAT. SO; AS WE START MOST OF OUR COMMITTEES ARE I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO KINDA GET TO KNOW WHO EACH OTHER IS A LITTLE BIT AND I WOULD LIKE US TO GO AROUND AND INTRODUCE OURSELVES. I KNOW SOME THE FOLKS I DON’T KNOW AND SOME I REMEMBER. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TURNOVER; AND SO; I AM SWIMMING A LITTLE BIT AND THE OLDER YOU GET THE HARDER IT IS WITH NAMES ANYWAY; RIGHT? AND SUMMA YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT. SO I WOULD JUST OFFER TO YOU AND I WILL START OUT BY WE CAN GO HOWEVER YOU WANT BUT WILL START OUT WITH JOHN PERSELL DISTRICT 5 A AND SOME OF YOU HAVE SERVED FOR FIVE TERMS ARE MORE AND FIVE A IS IN NORTHERN CENTRAL MINNESOTA AND A LOT OF THE DISTRICT’S WATER ANDI’M A CHEMIST BY MY TRAINING AND PROFESSION AND THAT’S WHAT I’VE BEEN DOING FOR 40 YEARS A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL WORK WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF LAKES IN MY DISTRICT AND THAT’S WHERE A LOT OF MY WORK IS. SO; THAT SAID; WE WILL GO AROUND HERE. AND THIS IS OUR VICE CHAIR REPRESENTATIVE BECKER-FINN.>>REPRESENTATIVE BECKER-FINN:THANK YOU I AM HAPPY TO BE THE VICE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE AND I GREW UP IN [INAUDIBLE] AM ALSO A MOM OF TWO YOUNGER KIDS AND WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME UP NORTH AND MORE RECENTLYHAVE DONE SOME THINGS DOWN SOUTH IN THE CW DOES THE ZONE AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON FISH AND OUTDOOR MINNESOTA ACTIVITIES AND I’M REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE AND AM EXCITED ABOUT ALL OF YOU FOLKS ON BOTH SIDES YOU’RE SO WELCOME.>>REPRESENTATIVE GOOD MORNING CHAIRMAN PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE I REPRESENT DISTRICT 10 B WHICH IS ALL OF AIKEN COUNTY AND WE’VE GOT 30 OR 40% WATER LIKE YOU DO THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER AND [INAUDIBLE] LAKE STANDING AND WE ALSO HAVE 90% PLUS OF PRESETTLEMENT WETLANDS IN THE DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT AND WE RAISE A LOT OF TREES UP THERE AND FORESTRY IS A HUGE DEAL AND TOURISM AND THERE’S SOME AMOUNT OF MINING IN OUR DISTRICT AND IN MY SPARE TIME I STILL TRY TO RAISE A FEW BEEF CATTLE AND AM ALSO THE GOP LEADER FOR THE COMMITTEE SO I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING HERE AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE VETERANS COMMITTEE HERE IN THE SESSION IS FAST.>>REPRESENTATIVE: GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR GREG–REPRESENTING 47B I AM A FRESHMAN REPRESENTATIVE AND I’M LEARNING FROM STEP ONE AND I HAVE BEEN SERVINGFOR 14 YEARS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT I’VE A BACHELORS DEGREE IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE A MASTERS IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING IN THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL; THANK YOU. HEINTZEMAN: JOSH HUNTSMAN I REPRESENT DISTRICT 10 A AND REPRESENTATIVE LUECK IS ON THE RURAL SIDE OF THE DISTRICT ON THE METRO SIDE ANDI BELIEVE THAT THERE IS SOME INTEREST IN THE [INAUDIBLE] UP THERE AND I BUMP INTO HIM AT WALMART OR EITHER THAT OR THE HARDWARE STORE FROM TIME TO TIME AND OTHER THAN THAT I’M PROUD TO BE SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE.>>REPRESENTATIVE GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] I AM DISTRICT 1 A AND I’M HAPPY TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE AND I AM M AN OUTDOORSMAN AND REPRESENTATIVE TALKED ABOUT THE TRIFECTA I HUNT FISH AND I DO ALL KINDS OF TRAPPING AND YOU AND I HAVE A LOT IN COMMON THAT WAY AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ON THE COMMITTEE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS THIS YEAR. THANK YOU.>>REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR MY NAME IS PAUL ANDERSON I REPRESENT 12 B ALONG ST. PAUL AND ALEXANDRIA ALONG I 94 I’M A FARMER AND AM GLAD TO BE IN THE COMMITTEE THANK YOU.>>REPRESENTATIVE [INAUDIBLE]>>REPRESENTATIVE GOMEZ: HI MR. CHAIR MY NAME IS ALICIA GOMEZ I AM A NEWLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE MY DISTRICT IS IN THE HEART OF SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS ALONG LAKE STREET AND AREAS TO THE SOUTH AND I’M REALLY PLEASED TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE I HAVE A BACHELORS IN SCIENCE AND ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE I’M HAPPY TO BE IN MY COMMUNITY AND AM BRINGING URBAN PERSPECTIVE IN MY SPACE SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE AROUND HIM ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND THEIR PROPORTIONATE ISSUES AND ENVIRONMENTAL TOPICS ANDIN LOW-INCOME COMMUNITIES AND INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND SO YEAH I’M HAPPY TO BE HERE SO THANK YOU.>>REPRESENTATIVE LIPPERT: MR. CHAIR I REPRESENT DISTRICT 20 B WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF THE CITY THE ENVIRONMENT IS A MAJOR CONCERN OF THE DISTRICT AND IT’S A CONCERN OF MINE TOOO; IT’S A CONCERN OF MINE TO WE HAVE OF TWO COLLEGES AND ALSO KEEP SAFE DRINKING WATER IS A CONCERN IN RURAL AREAS OF MY DISTRICT AS WELL.>>REPRESENTATIVE ACOMB:GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS PATTY A COMA AND I REPRESENT[INAUDIBLE] I WOULD SAY THAT MY PERSPECTIVE IS LOOKING AT THE NON-GAME ISSUES AND MY FAMILY AND ALL MY SONS HUNT BUT I’M NOT A HUNTER AND SO A LOT OF THE NONGAME ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.>>REPRESENTATIVE LISLEGARD: MR. CHAIR MY NAME IS DAVE AND I AM PROUD OF THE IRON RANGE IN OUR TRADITIONS IN HISTORY AND IN MINING AND IN TOURISM AND IN LOGGING AND I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THE RIGHT THING THE RIGHT WAY AND I BELIEVE WE ARE SOME OF THE BEST WATER ON THE IRON RANGE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS COMMITTEE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.>>REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN MY NAME IS RICK HANSEN I REPRESENT 40;000 PEOPLE IN NORTH DAKOTA AND MENDOTA HEIGHTS AND WEST SAMPLE AND MENDOTA AND [INAUDIBLE] I AM A BIOLOGIST AND POLICY ANALYST BY TRAINING AND I’M PLEASED TO BE HERE. I REALLY KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO PUT GOOD SCIENCE TO OUR POLICY.>>CHAIR: I’M PLEASED TO HEAR IT. THE SCIENTIST THAT WE HAVE HERE FROM EVERYWHERE. SO; THANK YOU. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF INTRODUCTIONS.>>HOUSE STAFF: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR MY NAME SEAN HERRING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYONE HERE ON THE COMMITTEE.>>HOUSE STAFF: HIGH MY NAME IS AMY ZIP CODE AND I DO GOP RESEARCH.>>HOUSE STAFF: MY NAME IS BRAD I WORK WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] I AM KEVIN PETRIE THE COMMITTEE LEGISLATIVE ANALYST.>>[INAUDIBLE]>>CHAIR: WELL WELCOME AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND COMMITMENT AND JUST WANT TO STOP AND ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS I KNOW YOU MIGHT NOT ALL [INAUDIBLE] THE RULES ETC. TO PICK THEM UP AND WE WILL TAKE THEM ON BUT; YOU KNOW; I’LL DO MY BEST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR I’LL FIND AN ANSWER. SO I THINK TODAY WE ARE READY TO PROCEED WITH PRESENTATIONS AND WE HAVE NICHOLAS PHELPS WITH US TODAY. THANK YOU.>>TESTIFIER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR [INAUDIBLE] TAKES ME BACK TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL I USED TO TAKE IT ON MY BIKE TO GET DOWN TO ELEMENTARY SO THANK YOU.>>CHAIR: MR. PHELPS IS WITH THE MINNESOTA AQUATIC INVASIVE SPECIES CENTER AND HE’S GOING TO GIVE US SOME INFORMATION AND WE WILL HAVE SOME QUESTION AND ANSWER BUT MR. PHELPS; PLEASE CONTINUE.>>TESTIFIER: ARE EIGHT SO; ARE WE GOOD? MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR INVITING ME TO COME IN FOR THIS SESSION AND GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE MINNESOTA INVASIVE AQUATIC SPECIES RESEARCH CENTER AND SINCE 2012 AT THE CENTER WE BEEN WORKING ON INVASIVE SPECIES ISSUES AND A BEEN THE DIRECTOR OF THE PROGRAM SINCE 2016. I’D LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN THE HISTORY OF THE [INAUDIBLE] OF THE SPECIES THERE’S NOT A DISTRICT THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT IS NOT AFFECTED DIRECTLY BY THE AIS [INAUDIBLE] THAT ISN’T AFFECTED I UNDERSTAND THIS ATTITUDE THAT [INAUDIBLE] THIS COMMITTEE TO HAVE SOME HOPE THERE’S SOME REASONS TO BE OPTIMISTIC THERE IS SOME SUCCESS STORIES WITHIN ALL AREAS OF LIFE AS WELL AND HERE IN MINNESOTA THEY ARE LOOKING TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. MINNESOTA NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED FOR TAKING LEADERSHIP ROLES IN THIS PROBLEM. IN 2012 THE STATE CAME TOGETHER AND THE SIDE OF THE AISLE CAME IN; WE CAN’T SOLVE YESTERDAY’S PROBLEMS WITH YESTERDAY’S ANSWERS THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO RESEARCH WE CAN KEEP GUESSING AND HOPING THAT THINGS WERE GOING CHANGE THEIR SCIENCE IS THE DIFFERENCE. SO WE DEVELOPED RESEARCH SOLUTIONS BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE BY OTHERS. BUT; ALSO MAKE SURE THIS IS BEING IMPLEMENTED AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL. [INAUDIBLE] SPECIFIC RESEARCH PROJECTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL AGENCIES AND STATE UNIVERSITIES IN THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA THAT BRING EXPERTISE TO VERY DIVERSE SETS THE VERY EXCELLENT GRADUATE STUDENTS THAT ARE REALLY PASSIONATE THROUGHOUT THE FIELDS AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK AND EVEN [INAUDIBLE] ARE COMMISSIONER OF THE DNR AND WE EVEN HAVE 14 ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS AND [INAUDIBLE] WEAVE A TECHNICAL COMMITTEE THAT HAS SPECIFIC EXPERTISE ON RESEARCH AND MANAGEMENT DIRECTION. WE ARE BASED OUT OF THE MINNESOTA [INAUDIBLE] BUT WERE THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THAT’S NOT J UST ABOUT GOING OUT IS NOT THE ACADEMIC NORM OF THE CENTER WITH THE LOCAL MANAGERS AND COMMITTEES AND VOLUNTEERING AND THEY ARE BEING BROUGHT TOGETHER WITH US SO WHEN IT’S TIME TO DO THAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED. YOU CAN CLICK ON THE ACTIVE MAP IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SEE EACH OF THE THINGS WERE DOING WITH THESE PROJECTS AND IT’S JUST AMAZING.>>>I BELIEVE REALLY STRONGLY THAT WHAT WE CREATE SHOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RESEARCH SOLUTIONS AND IT SHOULD BE AND EFFORT OF MONEY WELL SPENT WE WERE SUPPORTED BY THE [INAUDIBLE] AND IN 2012 WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME STABLE FUNDING WITH A LONG-TERM EFFORT FOR A GRANT AND JUST SO YOU KNOW WE WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE LPCI THIS SESSION AND ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR MANY FUNDING PRIORITIES THAT MAKES THIS A PRIORITY AS WELLIN THE ENVIRONMENT ITSELF.>>>HERE WE HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND PROGRESS AND THIS IS THE 2018 RESEARCH CTR. AND THIS IS JUST BULLET POINTS IT’S HARD TO BOIL IT DOWN IN ANY KIND OF AN ADJUSTABLE WAY ON ONE PAGE BUT I’M TRYING TO GIVE YOU AN ORDER OF THE LAST SIX YEARS TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE APPROACH WE’VE TAKEN AND SOME OF THE PROGRESS THAT WE’VE MADE AND I WILL TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THE END TO GO INTO IT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH A QUESTION OR I’M HAPPY TO DIVE INTO A SPECIFIC TOPIC IN PARTICULAR.>>>I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THOUGH THAT THE WORK THAT WE DO IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THERE’S JUST THE SCATTERED SHOT OF THESE PROJECTS BUT I ASSURE YOU THAT THE VALUE OF THE CENTERIF YOU LOOK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL YOU CAN LOOK ACROSS EVERYBODY’S EFFORT AND COORDINATE EVERYTHING ELSE IT’S GOING ON.WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE OUR EFFORTS AND IT’S OVERWHELMING BECAUSE THERE’S DOZENS OF SPECIES AND NOW THERE’S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS THAT COULD BE INTRODUCED INTO THE STATE AND WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN APPROACH THOSE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES IT FEARED AND THEN NEEDS THAT STAND IN THE IMPACTS AND THE PREVENTION AND DETECTION CONTROL AND MANAGEMENT. AND THROUGHOUT THE SESSION WE WILL LEARN MORE BUT WE DO HAVE A PROCESS TO PRIORITIZE AND FOCUS ON SOME ISSUES GOING FORWARD WITH COLLABORATIVE ISSUES IN RESEARCH. IF I WERE TO PULL YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW WHICH SPECIES IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR YOUR DISTRICT OR WHAT YOU’RE HEARING ABOUT MOST OF MY GUESTS WOULD BE THE [INAUDIBLE] I’M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH ON MUSCLE RESEARCH AND THE WORK WE ARE DOING IN THE PROGRESS THAT WE HAVE MADE AND THE PROGRESS AND DIMENSION IS EFFECTIVE IT’S IN PROGRESS AND WE ARE LEARNING AS WE GO AND WE DON’T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS QUITE Y ET BUT YOU WILL GET A SENSE THAT WE ARE MOVING THE BALL FORWARD.>>>THE FIRST ONE; IMPACTS. WE ASSUME THAT YOUR PERSPECTIVES ON POLICY AND MANAGEMENT IS THAT WE HAVE GOT THIS PROBLEM ON OUR HANDS. AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE SCALE OR THE DEGREE THAT THIS IS IMPACTING THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE ECONOMY AND WE CAN’T ADAPTIVELY MANAGE THE FACE OF THIS PROBLEM IF WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. SO QUICKLY I’LL LET THE RESEARCHER SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO AND THE IMPACTS SO IT WILL RESONATE WELL WITH THIS COMMITTEE.>>THE MAIN POINT OF THIS PROJECT IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT IMPACTS ON MUSCLES AND OTHER FISH AND WE KNOW THE IMPACTS THAT THESE HAVE ON THE FOOD THEY RELY ON INSERT [INAUDIBLE] THESE MUSCLES ARE A SMALL INVASIVE MUSCLE WHO HAVE INVADED A NUMBER MINNESOTA LAKES AND WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF THESE ARE CLEARING UP WA TER AND THEY ARE A [INAUDIBLE] SPECIES THAT EAT PLANKTON AND CAUSE THE NUMBERS TO GO DOWN WHICH CAN BE A PROM FOR FISH THAT RELY ON THOSE PLANKTON FOR FOOD. SO WHAT WILL IT GET HERE TODAY ARE THINGS LIKE FISH AND SNAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND LOOK AT THEIR COMPOSITION IN A WAY TO TELL US WHO IS EATING WHO IN THE LAKE AND AM THAT WILL GIVE US SOME INFORMATION AND WILL BE USING DATA COLLECTED OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS OR SO BY DNR STAFF TO SEE HOW GROWTHS OF YOUNG FISH MIGHT CHANGE AS WE GET INVADED. GENERALLY WE STUDY SIZE AGE GROWTH AND THAT SORT OF THING AND WE GO BY SPECIES BUT HERE WE ARE INTEGRATING NOT ONLY HOW THESE SPECIES MATCH BUT ALSO THINGS IN FRONT OF US THAT WE DON’T USUALLY HAVE TIME OR MONEY TO LOOK AT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT AND I THINK IT REALLY MATTERS TO OUR CITIZENS AND NOT JUST THOSE WHO FISH BUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE LAKES.>>TESTIFIER: SO THAT PROJECT IS RAN BY [INAUDIBLE] HANSEN IN DULUTH AND THE DNR AND A LOT OF COLLABORATORS COME TOGETHER AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PERSPECTIVES AND IN FACT JUST THE OTHER DAY; THE PROJECTS AREN’T ENTIRELY FINAL BUT IT SEEMS OBVIOUS THAT THE IMPACTS TO SOME YOUR WILDLIFE ARE [INAUDIBLE] THEY DO GROW SLOWER THAN MUSCLES IN LAKES THAT HAVE SPINY W ATER [INAUDIBLE] NOW WHAT DOES THE MANAGER DO WITH THAT INFORMATION?>>REPRESENTATIVE: THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR; SO JUST WILL NOT STUDY; HOW MANY OF THOSE NINE LAKES CURRENTLY HAVE BOTH [INAUDIBLE] AND MUSSELS.>>TESTIFIER: THE NINE LAKES IT’S JUST AN AMAZING CASE STUDY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SPECTRUM OF INVASIVE AND BOTH ON INVASIVE SPECIES SO WE HAVE A CHANCE NOW TO THE LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE INVASION IN DIFFERENT WAYS BUT MOVING FORWARD WERE LEAVING THE MUSCLES ALONE LEAVING THE SPINY’S ALONE AND LEAVING THEM TOGETHER BUT WE THINK [INAUDIBLE] OF WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO SURVIVE IN THAT [INAUDIBLE]>>CHAIR: I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION I’M NOT GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] BUT DOES THIS INFORMATION INCLUDE PARASITES; FISH PARASITES; FOR INSTANCE? DO YOU KNOW FOR SURE?>>TESTIFIER: WERE LOOKING AT PATHOGENS AS WELL OF TOUCH ON THAT BRIEFLY.>>REPRESENTATIVE: I WAS INVOLVED WITH IT; THAT’S WHY I’M ASKING. OKAY; THANK YOU.>>TESTIFIER: PREVENTION IS A SPECIES IS STILL ON HOW TO PREVENT THE SPREAD AND YOU CAN PREVENT THE SPREAD UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW THEY MOVE AND OVER THE YEARS OF GOTTEN THE BEST INFORMATION AVAILABLE BUT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS TOPIC AND WE’VE CREATED A MUSCLES FAMILY TREE AND WE CONNECT THE GENETIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POPULATION THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE AND A COUPLE RELEVANT [INAUDIBLE] LAKES ARE THESE CLUSTERED HOTSPOTS OF INVASIONS AND THE SALMON [INAUDIBLE] GET INTRODUCED TO AN AREA AND IT SPREADS QUICKLY TO THAT REGION. MANY PEOPLE POINT THE FINGER AT LAKE BECAUSE THAT WAS HEAVILY INFESTED AND IT WAS A BIG POPULAR LATE; BUT THERE WASN’T ANYTHING UP OR GENETICALLY WITH LAKE THERE IS SOME INTERVENTION THAT WAS HAPPENING THERE THAT IS WORKING. IT IS A WAY TO PREVENT SPREAD AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THE MILLE LACS AN AREA [INAUDIBLE] THE GENETIC DIVERSITY IS HIGH. WHEN WE FIRST SEE THE MUSCLES COME IN; IT’S A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS AT ONE TIME; BUT THAT IS THE GAS. A LOT OF SPECIES COME IN FROM A BOATLIFT OR SOMETHING AND IT COMES IN ONE TIME AND IT FEEDS THE LAKE AND IT’S MUCH LESS LIKELY THAT’S A WHOLE BUNCH OF FEW INDIVIDUAL INTRODUCTIONS; DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT KIND OF INCREASES THE RISK LEVEL OR THE POSSIBILITY FOR EXAMPLE. IT’S LESS SUSCEPTIBLE AND THEN THE FURRED THING IS THAT THESE MUSCLES ARE COMING IN [INAUDIBLE]>>CHAIR: REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN.>>REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR SEARCH D-DAY VERSUS COMMANDER TYPE OF INVASIONS?>>TESTIFIER: THAT SEEMS TO BE THE TREND. IT DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN THAT WAY BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE DIRECTION FOR SURE. AND; ARE THOSE CLUSTERS CONNECTED IN THE SAME WATERSHEDS OR ARE THOSE WATERSHEDS SEPARATED SO THAT THE MOVEMENT OF WATER BETWEEN THOSE LAKES AND RIVER SYSTEMS ARE OTHER SEPARATIONS WITHIN THOSE CLUSTERS BY WATERSHED; IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING.>>TESTIFIER: REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN; THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION A LAKE IS MORE LIKELY TO BECOME INFESTED IF IT’S CONNECTED TO WATER THAT [INAUDIBLE] WE WILL COME BACK TO THIS IN JUST A MINUTE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION WERE CLEARLY.>>>WE ALSO LOOKED AT [INAUDIBLE] THAT YOU CAN’T SEE THAT CAN BE IN THE RESIDUAL WATER. SO; LOOKING AT ACTUAL BOATS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF [INAUDIBLE] WE’VE QUANTIFIED THE AMOUNT AND TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT IT IS WATER AND CANNOT BE DRAINED THROUGH STANDING PRACTICES. AND THEY’RE ALL DODGERS IN THAT WATER AND IN THIS FACTOR. SO A LOT OF WHAT WE’RE DOING IS TO MITIGATE THAT RISK AND RESEARCHERS MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BOAT MANUFACTURERS TO REDUCE THE RISK OF [INAUDIBLE] TRACK WORK WE USE THESE INBOARD ENGINE SOMETHING WE USE FOR WINTERIZING BUT NO DOUBT IT’S A CONCENTRATION THAT COULD KILL THESE AT ALL POINTS IN TIME. SO [INAUDIBLE] THE RESIDUAL WATER IN THE BOAT. EVENT. FURTHER DETECTION IS CRITICAL IF WE HAVE ANY HOPE OF PREVENTING MORE SPREAD; [INAUDIBLE] SO THERE’S A LITTLE ACTIVE SURVEILLANCE IT GOES DOWN AND PEOPLE [INAUDIBLE] TO THE DNR AND HOW DO WE SHRINK THAT BACK AND NOW APPROACHES ARE PARTNERED WITH AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST SO WE CAN LOOK AT WATER CONDUCTIVITY AND DATA MOVEMENT NETWORKS AND ENVIRONMENTAL STABILITY AND WE COMBINE THIS MODEL FOR A LAKE MODEL AND THERE IS A SPREADSHEET ON THE WEBSITE TO BREAK IT DOWN IN EVERY COUNTY [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT’S WHERE THESE ARE GONNA SHOW UP AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE PREDICTABILITY OF THIS FOR SURVEILLANCE THEY WILL COUNT LAST YEAR THERE WERE 580 SO LAKES IN THE COUNTY AND ONE LAKE BECAME INVESTED BUT IT WAS PRETTY TO BE [INAUDIBLE] AND THERE WERE 200 LAKES IN THE COUNTY AND THERE IS A LOT OF POWER IN THE [INAUDIBLE] AND I CAN REALLY HELP MORE STRATEGICALLY FORM THE WAY WE DO OUR SURVEILLANCE AND DETECTION EFFORTS. AND ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN IN THE HANDS OF THE COUNTY AND WE STILL HAVE GOT MANAGERS.>>CHAIR: REPRESENTATIVE AIKEN.>>REPRESENTATIVE AIKEN: THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR. YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANT WORK YOU’RE DOING AND HOW THE WORK YOU DOING YOU’RE TRYING TO DO EARLY AND THE SMALL AMOUNT OF LAKES AND I’M WONDERING IN YOUR EFFORT TO REACH MORE LAKES; HAVE YOU CONSIDERED CITIZEN SCIENCE TREE OR VOLUNTEER SCIENTISTS TO HELP EXPAND THAT SCOPE. WE HAVE A STATE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE INVOLVED I THINK [INAUDIBLE] IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE DATA CAN BE BROUGHT BY VOLUNTEERS I WONDERED IF YOU’VE CONSIDERED THAT IN YOUR EFFORTS?>>TESTIFIER: YES WE ARE SUPER PROUD OF IT AND IT’S AMAZING BUT YES; IT IS AMAZING.>>>[INAUDIBLE] THAT WAS A LOT LOUDER THAN I THOUGHT AND THIS IS PROVIDING THE QUANTIFIED DISTRIBUTION THROUGHOUT THE LAKE AND THIS IS COVERING A LOT OF GROUND WE’RE ALSO GETTING MORE TECHNOLOGY AND SONARS AND WE KNOW NOW THEY CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN [INAUDIBLE] AND WE CAN SEE THEM WITH SONAR AND ALSO IMPROVING THE EFFICIENCY OF THE [INAUDIBLE]>>REPRESENTATIVE: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR A QUICK QUESTION I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO IS ONE THING USED IN THE WATER BY DIVERS MORE EFFECTIVELY WAS HE USE SONAR AS WELL AS UNDERWATER CAMERAS. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT; AND THIS IS PROBABLY OUT OF THE BIOLOGIST REALM OF EXPERTISE; BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HOW BEST THOSE EQUIPMENTS CAN BE TOLD TO FIND THAT STUFF BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY SPECIALIZED DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR IF IT’S METAL OR FIT SOFT OR IF IT’S HARD SO I HOPE THAT WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING AT ARE YOU GOING INTO MORE DETAIL ON WHETHER WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT.>>TESTIFIER: I THINK THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION AND A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE CENTER CAN IDENTIFY AND THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE SONAR [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND A FELLOW RESEARCHER AT THE WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT THE NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY AND HE HAS A NATIONAL LEVEL REPUTATION OF EVALUATING THOSE RESULTS AND SO WE CAN TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND PROVE THE EFFICIENCY AND DETECTABILITY OF JUST FINDING THE ZEBRA [INAUDIBLE] SO WERE WORKING ON THAT.>>REPRESENTATIVE: I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WE BEEN ABLE TO RECOVER THINGS THAT 25 OR 30;000 FEET THAT WOULD BE MINUSCULE BUT WITH THE FIND THEM FIRST. AND I’M TALKING ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. SO SPREAD YOUR NET WIDE THERE BECAUSE THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TECHNOLOGY WHERE THEY HAVE HAD TO SOLVE SOME PRETTY DIFFICULT PROBLEMS.>>TESTIFIER: CAN TROLL IS A HIGH TOPIC OF INTEREST SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING AND WE HAVE CONTROL LABORATORY EXPERIENCE IN SMALL-SCALE FIELD STUDIES THIS COMING YEAR BEGINNING IN MAY WE W ILL BE [INAUDIBLE] 25 ACRES BY THE BAY AND MINNETONKA [INAUDIBLE] CALLS FOR MANAGERS AND ZEBRA MUSSELS ARE NOT THE QUESTION ANYMORE. WHERE WE’RE AT NOW IS HOW WE CAN CONTROL ZEBRA MUSSELS WHILE MINIMIZING THE IMPACT SO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD WITH OUR CONTROL EFFORTS.>>TECHNOLOGY ALSO EXISTS AND IT MIGHT SEEM MILD TO SOME BUT IF YOU TALK TO THE INDUSTRY AND HUMAN HEALTH IT SEEMS STATUS QUO BUT THE TECHNOLOGY IS TO EDIT GENOMES WITH PRECISION AND IN THEORY WE COULD [INAUDIBLE] THIS TO DISTINCTION. [INAUDIBLE] A5 YOUR EFFORT TO SEQUENCE THE GENOME AND WE’VE DONE IT AND THIS OPENS UP HUGE AREAS OF SCIENCE FOR US BUT JUST IMAGINE FOR A SECOND IF YOU COULD TURN OFF ONE OF THE GENES THAT CONTROLS THE GROWTH OF THE [INAUDIBLE] SO THE ZEBRA MUSSELS CAN’T DETACH OR SURVIVE THAT’S ONE WAY TO DO THAT SO WERE LEANING DOWN THAT ROAD AND MAKING SURE WERE LOOKING NOT JUST THE TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENTS BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL PATHWAYS THAT SUPPORT AN APPROACH LIKE THIS AND ALSO AS IMPORTANT AS ANYTHING ELSE AND MORE SO THE ETHICAL AND SOCIAL IMPLICATIONS AND THE [INAUDIBLE] ANIMALS AND THE ENVIRONMENT PROPOSED FOR CONSERVATION BUT IN THIS AREA THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN’T LOOKED INTO BUT THAT’S OUR JOB MOVING FORWARD IN RESEARCH.>>>WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM; CLEARLY; THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THE DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT THAT I MENTIONED BRIEFLY THE [INAUDIBLE] FROM THE US [INAUDIBLE] SERVICE IS A PRO OR FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] UTILIZATION SO [INAUDIBLE] IS THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY AND [INAUDIBLE] RAMSEY ARE THE AREAS WE ARE WORKING NOW BUT SCIENCE IS REALLY CHANGED OUR DECISION-MAKING AND IF YOU SEE THE CHART THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE INSPECTIONS AND IF YOU LOOK WE NEED MORE INSPECTORS AND WE’VE EQUAL AMOUNTS OF REDUCED RISK AND THERE’S AN EFFICIENCY HERE WITH MANAGEMENT AND THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE OF GETTING AHEAD OF THE CURVE. [INAUDIBLE] THERE IS MORE TO DO WITH IMPACTS AND TRENDS OVER TIMES AND PREVENTION WE NEED TO RESEARCH THE SCIENCE PEOPLE NEED TO RESEARCH IN THOSE AREAS OF WHY PEOPLE ARE MOTIVATED TO DO THINGS IN URBAN DETECTION AND CONTINUING TO REFINE AND TWEAK THE METHODS AND CONTROL AND I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL THE DAY WE CAN TEST THE LAKE AT THE WHOLE LAKE LEVEL FOR THE MANAGEMENT [INAUDIBLE]>>REPRESENTATIVE: THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR; AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH THE COMMITTEE IF YOU LIKE HEARING ABOUT MORE DETAILS AND WANT MORE DETAILS YOU KNOW YOU SAID YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT ZEBRA MUSSELS BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO TO THEIR RESEARCH CENTER AND SPENT AN ENTIRE DAY JUST WITH ENTIRE TALKS ABOUT ZEBRA MUSSELS AND OVER SEPTEMBER THEY DO A FEW OF THEM AND IT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST HELPFUL EVENTS; YOU KNOW CONFERENCES THAT I’VE ATTENDED THAT HAS REALLY BEEN HELPFUL AND GIVEN US A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCIENCE OF THE ISSUES AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE SHOWCASE EVERY YEAR AND IT’S USUALLY ONLY IT MAYBE TWO OR THREE LEGISLATORS THAT ATTEND BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT BECAUSE IT’S ALSO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT BECAUSE I ATTENDED IT IN SEPTEMBER SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT ON.>>REPRESENTATIVE: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU SIR FOR WHAT YOU’RE DOING THERE YOU MENTIONED ZEBRA MUSSELS AND OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE UNITED STATES FOR 30 OR 40 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND I’M NOT SURE OF THE COLLABORATION THAT’S GOING ON WITH UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND MAYBE THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN AND WERE DOING RESEARCH ON THESE AND YOU TALK ABOUT TREATMENTS AND YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT SOME OF THE TREATMENTS ARE.>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION AND ON THE RESEARCH SIDE OF IT IN MINNESOTA WE ARE ON THE RESEARCH CENTER AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BRING A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE TOGETHER ON THE PROJECTS AND ALSO TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER ON THIS PICTURE SO I HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING WITH RESEARCHERS AND IN AUSTRALIA AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN CANADA AND IN GERMANY AND ANYBODY’S EXPERTISE WE ARE INTERACTING WITH IS GOING TO HELP US TO BECAUSE IT IS STATE DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING DRIVEN BY MINNESOTA I THINK THAT’S SOMETHING TO APPRECIATE. BUT THE PARTNERSHIPS AND COLLABORATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH MANAGERS ON A LOCAL LEVEL INCLUDE AGENCIES AND STAKEHOLDER GROUPS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS ISSUE AND THE STAKEHOLDERS IS A BROAD TERM BUT FOCUS ON DEVELOPMENT OF PROJECTS AND ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT IN THE WORK AND WE MAKE SURE THE RESEARCH IS TRANSLATED TO THEM IN A REASONABLE WAY AND THE RAPID RESPONSE PILOT PROGRAM FOR CONTROLLING ZEBRA MUSSELS ONLY GET A NEW INFESTATION THEY WORK WITH UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA TO FIGURE OUT THE EXTENT OF THE INFESTATION WHAT TREATMENT RECOMMENDATION TO USE A LOT OF POST TREATMENTS ALONG WITH THE DNR AND A LOT OF THE DISTRICTS AND PRETTY MUCH WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS AT A LOCAL LEVEL AND LIKE YOU SAID THE COUNTY; THE STATE; THE FEDERAL AND REGIONAL PANELS AND I TRAVEL INTERNATIONALLY TO TALK TO PEOPLE AND DISCUSS IT BUT A LONG STORY SHORT; I DON’T KNOW WHO ELSE WE COULD WORK WITH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING THE BEST AND GREATEST TOGETHER ON THIS TOPIC.>>REPRESENTATIVE THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR. ONE OTHER QUESTION I WANT TO ASK ABOUT TREATMENTS. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU DO DO FOR TREATMENTS ON THE LAKE DO SOME OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH HOT ASH OR SOME OF THOSE?>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN WE HAVE TRIED TO LEARN THE BEST WE CAN ABOUT TREATMENTS. ACTIVE MANAGEMENT OR ACTIVE TREATMENTS THAT HAPPENS TO CONTROL A POPULATION HAVE LARGE LARGELY BEEN MANAGEMENT LEAD AND RESEARCH HAS LED TO HELP INFORM IT AND WE DEVELOP A PLAN AND THIS IS APPLIED TO OTHER ASPECTS OF FUTURE TREATMENTS. ANOTHER EXAMPLE FOR [INAUDIBLE] THERE’S BEEN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TREATMENTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE PEOPLE JUMPING TREATMENTS IN THE LEGS IN ORDER TO [INAUDIBLE] MOVING FORWARD. AND ONE LAST THING MR. CHAIR THIS IS BETWEEN YOU AND ME AND THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE BUT ANOTHER THING THAT HAS BECOME VERY VERY CONCERNING AND I’M SURE THAT YOU WANT TO MANAGE THIS TOO IS THE HYBRID [INAUDIBLE] AND HOW WE ARE DEALING WITH THAT HERE IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND I THINK THERE ISA PATH WE NEED TO CREATE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THEIR HYBRID CATTAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND HOW DO YOU PLAN ON CONTROLLING THAT?>>CHAIR: YES WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME INPUT AND THAT IS A LONG-STANDING INVASIVE SPECIES; IF YOU WILL. THAT MAY BE GOOD REPRESENTATIVE; FABIAN. WE WILL GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. DO YOU NEED A GLASS OF WATER? I HEARD YOU COUGHING A LITTLE BIT AND I’VE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT.>>REPRESENTATIVE: I’M GETTING OVER A COLD.>>CHAIR: REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN.>>REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN: I WAS GETTING A LITTLE THIRSTY TOO. DR. PHELPS; I HAVE BEEN TO SOME PRESENTATIONS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF MUSCLES AND MOVING MORE THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU SUCCESSFULLY MAPPED THE ZEBRA MUSCLE CAN YOU MAYBE EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE AND YOU MENTIONED ZEBRA MUSSELS WERE HOW MUCH ARE THEY COMING INTO THE STATE?>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN [INAUDIBLE] MUSCLES ARE COMING INTO THE STATE WE HAVE ACTIVELY RESEARCHED SPECIFICALLY TIGER MUSCLES RIGHT NOW BUT THERE’S A LOT THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM AND APPLIED [INAUDIBLE] IN THE UNITED STATES WE’VE MOVED THROUGH THE SAME PATHWAYS AND IN THE GREAT LAKES THERE’S ENTIRE AREAS THAT ARE DISPLACED BY THE TIGER MUSCLES AND THEY GREW DEEPER AND THEY GROW LARGER AND PERHAPS IT’S A BIGGER PROBLEM BUT THE PREVENTION EFFORTS AND THE PATHWAYS ARE ACTIVELY APPLIED.>>REPRESENTATIVE: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR; ZEBRA MUSSELS HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME DO WE HAVE A RECENTLY GOOD IDEA ON THE AMOUNT OF LAKES THAT HAVE BEEN INFESTED OVER THE YEARS AND WHAT IMPACTS IT’S TAKEN OR HOUSE THAT ENVIRONMENT CHANGED PARTICULARLY ON THE FISH BECAUSE IN A LOT OF PLACES WE ARE STILL WASHING IT BECAUSE WE LOOK AND WE SEE ALL THERE STILL A TON OF THEM AND WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE END THE STATE FOR PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN REALLY AFFECTED FOR A LONG TIME?>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR; REPRESENTATIVE THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION. SO NOT EVERY LAKE IS A GOOD [INAUDIBLE] LAKE AND NOT EVERY LAKE IS A ZEBRA MUSSEL LAKE. IN PLACES WHERE THEY DO CAUSE PROBLEMS WHAT WE SEE IS THAT THE POPULATION KINDA CREEPS ALONG AND THEN EXPONENTIALLY GROWS AND WHENWE HAVE A PROBLEM IS WHEN THE SPECIES BUT POPULATION SPIKES AND THE LAKE [INAUDIBLE] IS MUCH CLEARER THAN IT USED TO BE THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE. WE DO NOT ALWAYS KNOW SOME OF THE IMPACT THAT THE RESEARCH THAT DR. HANSEN WAS LOOKING AT IN THAT VIDEO BUT WE START TO SEE THAT THEY START PUSHING THESE OFFSHORE SO THE FEEDING BECOMES MORE OF THE OPEN WATER ECOSYSTEM. AND IF THERE’S NO OPEN WATER ECOSYSTEM FOR THE FISH TO GO TO THE POPULATION WILL GO DOWN AND IF THERE IS THEY WILL HAVE TO BE MORE RESILIENT SO THERE’S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS BUT IT’S A VERY DIFFERENT WORLD IN THE LAKES THAT THE ZEBRA MUSSELS ARE ESTABLISHED.>>>I WILL MOVE REALLY QUICKLY I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE LE FT BUT WE’VE GOT; I’VE JUST BEEN A HIGHLIGHT THE PLANTS THE INVASIVE PLANTS THAT WE BEEN WORKING ON THE NEWEST INVADER OF PLANTS HAS SHOWED UP IN 2015 AND WE DEVELOPED A WORKSHOP OF INTERNATIONAL EXPERTISE TO WORK WITH THE DNR AND IDENTIFIED KNOWLEDGE GAPS AND OPTIONS AND WE LEARN QUICKLY AND WE WERE REALLY SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THAT WE WERE [INAUDIBLE] THERE’S BEEN A LOT THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED AND I CAN GO INTO THE DETAILS BUT REALLY QUICKLY WERE DOING A LOT BETTER NOW THAN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AND THERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING DIFFERENTLY NOW THE MANAGEMENT LEVEL BECAUSE OF [INAUDIBLE] AND WHAT WE’VE COME TO FIND IS THAT PEOPLE ARE TRULY [INAUDIBLE] WASN’T DYING AND THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS RESISTANT VARIETY AND NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THIS HYBRID SPECIES BUT WERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND NOW THE DISTRIBUTION AND THE STATE INCLUDING THE TREATMENT OUTCOMES SO WE CAN BETTER INFORM PROFESSIONALS OUT THERE SO THAT THEY’RE NOT WASTING MONEY IF THEY HAVE THIS HYBRID SPECIE OUT THERE THAT WILL BE AFFECTED. AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] AND WHEN IT COMES UP IS IN RELATION TO THIS TREATMENT BUT THERE IS A MAP OF DISTRIBUTION IN THE STATE AND WE DEVELOPED AS A RECOMMENDATION IT’S IN THE HANDS OF THE MANAGERS RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH SEVERAL STATE AGENCIES AND LOCAL AND MANAGERS TO DEVELOP A STATEWIDE MANAGEMENT RESPONSE ABOUT WHAT COULD WE DO TO COORDINATE THE CONTROLLED SPREAD AND WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS AND WE PUT IT OUT THERE AND SEE HOW PEOPLE REACT. RESEARCH WAS GOING ON HERE AND THE PROGRESSION IF YOU LOOK BACK THE PROGRESSION FROM BASIC SCIENCE LABORATORY EXPERIMENTS TO NOW BE ABLE TO CONTROL [INAUDIBLE] IN LAKES AND UNIVERSITIES ARE NOW CONTROLLING CARP BASED ON THE RESEARCH THAT WE HAVE OPTIONS FOR WAR YOU REFINING IT AND WE HAVE OPTIONS COMING ON FOR OUR COMMON CARP AND EARN INVASIVES WE SEE SOME COMING UP THE RIVER AND WE SEE THIS IS COMING UP CARP IN THE SPECIFIC TRAINING EFFECTIVENESS AND HOW DO WE TRAIN THEM FROM SWIMMING UP AND THEN ALL SO WE SPENT A GREAT AMOUNT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE HYDRODYNAMICS OF THE LOCKS AND WE TOOK THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TODIAL IN ON THOSE SWEEPS AND IT’S JUST IN THAT SWEET SPOT SO IT DOESN’T AFFECT THE ENGINEERING OF THE ENVIRONMENT; BUT IT PREVENTS THE CARPET FROM SWIMMING AND THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT WE CAN GREATLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF FISH THAT HAVE A CHANCE TO SWIM THROUGH THE CORE AND IT’S ALL IN THE HANDS OF OUR PARTNERS RIGHT NOW. I MENTIONED [INAUDIBLE] PARASITES THAT ARE LIKE OTHER SPECIES THAT ARE BIGGER AND RIGHT NOW SPECIFICALLY WE HAVE MICROBES IN THE [INAUDIBLE] THAT YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH FROM ABOUT 2000 ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO RISK MANAGEMENT STRATEGY FOR THE DNR WAS IMPLEMENTED BY THE COMMISSIONER AND WE ARE STILL FREE SHOW OF THIS VIRUS DESPITE THE FACT IT WAS PERSISTED AT THE FI RST STEP. AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SYSTEMS IN WHICH THEY MOVE AND HOW PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS AND THIS IS ALSO AN AREA WHERE WE JUST CREATED CITIZEN SCIENCE THE AIS PROGRAM I’M VERY PROUD OF THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH THAT UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA EXTENSION WE HAVE ABOUT 230 CITIZEN SCIENTIST ACTIVE ENGAGED EDUCATED LOCAL RESOURCES CONTRIBUTING VOLUNTEER HOURS IN LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEY’VE ALSO BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR FINDING SEVERAL LUMEN INFESTATIONS AND IF WE COULD FIND IT IN OUR LAKE AND GET RID OF IT IF WE FOUND THE EARLY IT’S MONEY WELL SPENT [INAUDIBLE] WE FOUND THAT EARLY AND CONTROLLED IT AND IT HAS NOT MOVED OUT OF THAT LITTLE TINY PATCH YET AND IF WE COULD KEEP IT OPPRESSED OVER TIME SO THAT’S A SUCCESS STORY SO IF YOU ARE EVER IN THAT DISTRICT LOOK THAT UP BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] WE DO THE ACADEMIC THING WE PUBLISHED I DON’T KNOW; 30 PAPERS AND LAST FIVE YEARS AND THERE ARE PERSPECTIVES WERE TAKING INTERNATIONALLY AND PEOPLE ARE LEARNING FROM US AS MUCH AS WE ARE LEARNING FROM THEM; BUT EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT; WE SPEND A TON OF TIME DOING THE NONACADEMIC THING WE HAVE A COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST THAT CAN HELP TRAIN PEOPLE ON THAT SCIENCE AND TAKE A PIECE OF PAPER AND PUT IT IN A DIGESTIBLE WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND MANAGERS DON’T WANT 25 PAGE SCIENTIFIC JARGON THEY WANT SOMETHING THEY UNDERSTAND AND [INAUDIBLE] AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND OUT TO THE PUBLIC WE PRODUCED SIX VIDEOS I SHOWED YOU ONE EARLIER AND WE HAD THEM ALL AND A SHOWCASE AND OVER 270 PEOPLE CAME WE PRESENT AROUND THE STATE AND PEOPLE SHOW UP AND THESE AREN’T JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE [INAUDIBLE] AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO UP MY LEG THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRACKING RESEARCH THAT ARE OPTIMISTIC THAT WE CAN FIND SOMETHING IN THE COMING ALONG ON THE RIDE AND SO IT’S GREAT TO HAVE THIS ENGAGED GROUP OF PEOPLE OUT THERE. WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT SINCE THESE TRIALS WERE CREATED AM VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE BEEN ABLE TO DO AM VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE PATH WERE ON AND I THINK THE SOLUTIONS ARE OBTAINABLE AND THERE’S NO REASON TO BELIEVE THESE ARE INEVITABLE OR THAT [INAUDIBLE] I’M SPEAKING PROFESSIONALLY AND PERSONALLY THAT WE HAVE NOT ONLY A RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND A SOLUTION BUT THAT WE CAN AND I THINK THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH. WE DO HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO THERE BECAUSE WHEN WE CREATED THE CENTERWE WERE OVER HERE BEGGING FOR PATIENTS AND WERE ASKING FOR PATIENTS STILL. WE NEVER TOLD ANYBODY OUR RESEARCH WAS A QUICK FIX THIS IS INCREMENTAL STEPS WITH HARD WORK AND PERSISTENCE AND YOU CAN SEE IT THROUGHOUT LIFE THIS IS WHAT WE DO NOW AND WERE INFORMED IN SIMILAR WAYS THROUGH RESEARCH AND I THINK THIS RESEARCH IS BIG AND COMPLICATED AS THEY ARE CANNOT BE OVERCOME THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THESE ISSUES AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU’VE DONE.>>CHAIR: THANK YOU DR. PHELPS AND REPRESENTATIVE WAGENIUS.>>REPRESENTATIVE WAGENIUS: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND DR. PHELPS; I’M ESPECIALLY APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR WORK ON THE COMMON CARP. I WAS FIGURING OUT OR SITTING HERE FIGURING OUT THERE WAS EITHER SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO THAT I REMEMBER DNR TELLING ME; THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THE COMMON CARP. SO; WHEN FOLKS TELL YOU THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO; I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO TO YOU GUYS. MY SPECIFIC QUESTION IS; A LONG TIME AGO THE UNIVERSITY WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS INVASIVE LEASE THESE BIRDS IN ASIA AND IT WAS CONTROLLING [INAUDIBLE] IN MINNESOTA AND IT WAS KEEPING THE POPULATION WAY DOWN B UT IN NORTH DAKOTA WE HAVE THE SPURGE ALL OVER THE PLACE. ARE YOU DOING THE SAME KIND OF GETTING TO THE SOURCE AND LOOKING FOR THINGS WHERE THE NATURAL WHATEVER IT IS IS KEEPING THAT IN CHECK?>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR; REPRESENTATIVE WAGENIUS [INAUDIBLE] SPECIFICALLY I AM FINDING THAT FOR MANY IN THE NATIVE RANGE IT IS DISEASE OR A PATHOGEN OR SOMETHING THAT KEEPS THEM IN CHECK. WE HAVE NOT PURSUED THAT VERY HARD YET AT THE CENTER. WE HAVE TAKEN A DIFFERENT STRATEGY THOUGH. WE TRY TO FIND NATIVE THINGS THAT THE INVASIVE THING HAS NEVER BEEN EXPOSED TO AND THE TESTING HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE AND THEY ARE COMING INTO THIS SYSTEM THAT THEY ARE NOT USED TO REFINING PATHOGENIC CONTROL FOR THE COMMON CARP AND ZEBRA MUSSELS RIGHT NOW AND THE COMMON CARP WE FOUND SOMETHING CAUSING HUGE MORTALITY EVENTS IN THE COMMON CARP RIGHT NOW THESE HUGE SCALE MORTALITY EVENTS AND [INAUDIBLE] TO INCREASE THAT MORTALITY EVENTS AND THE RESEARCH HAS BEEN ONGOING RIGHT NOW WERE NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THAT IDEA JUST HASN’T BEEN PURSUED YET.>>CHAIR: REPRESENTATIVE WAGENIUS.>>REPRESENTATIVE WAGENIUS: I KNOW IT TOOK A LONG TIME [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT SURE IF THERE ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BUT THERE COULD BE ON INTENSIVE CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE KILLING THE CARP SO I WOULD SUGGEST JUST BECAUSE THE SUCCESS STORY OF THE BEETLE THAT KEEPS THE [INAUDIBLE]’S URGE IN CHECK YOU OUGHT TO PURSUE BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF AN OLD HANDS ON DECK BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE WARMING OF THE STATE; WE CAN HAVE MORE PROBLEMS; I ASSUME WE HAVE TO HAVE A FULL MENU; IF YOU WILL; OF SOLUTIONS.>>REPRESENTATIVE: I HAVE A QUESTION I LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT THE COMMON CARP AND I’M DATING MYSELF A LITTLE BIT BUT BACK IN THE DAY [INAUDIBLE]>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR THERE WAS A COMMON FISHERY FOR THE COMMON CARP THE VALUE IN THERE DOES NOT SUPPORT A COMMERCIAL FISHERY THERE ANYMORE AND I THINK THAT THAT IS MOSTLY BECAUSE OF MANAGEMENT REASONS AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE MARSHALL DISTRICTS WERE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY AND DUE TO THAT THERE ARE [INAUDIBLE] PEOPLE DOING IT.>>CHAIR: WE’VE GOT 20 MINUTES YET HERE. REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN.>>REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR YOU MENTIONED [INAUDIBLE] THAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY HARD PLANT TO DEAL WITH COULD YOU MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT STARRY STONE WART AND HOW MUCH IT’S BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH ITSELF IN ANY RESEARCH EFFORTS THERE.>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR; REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN; THE STARRY STONE WORK HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY THERE I’LL TRY TO MAKE IT BRIEF. IT SHOULD APPEAR IN 2013 IN THIS TOWN AND CORONAS IN OLMEC COUNTY AND IT LOOKS LIKE A PLANT BUT IT IS TECHNICALLY A MACRO ANALOGY AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FEATURE BECAUSE YOU CAN’T AP PLY A HERBICIDE THE SAME WAY YOU CAN FOR A [INAUDIBLE] IT DOESN’T HAVE THE SAME STRUCTURE THAT YOU WOULD PUT ON AN HERBICIDE TO KILL IT SO IT KILLS THAT NEXT CELL AND THEN IT KILLS THE NEXT CELL AND THE MANAGEMENT NOW IS [INAUDIBLE] AND IT’S TRICKY JUST BECAUSE IT IS MACROALGAE. IT MOVES AROUND LIKE A STAR SHAPED BUBBLE AND IT’S ANALOGOUS TO A POTATO AND IT HAS A TYPE OF ENERGY THAT IT CAN RE-SPROUT AND MAKE MORE ENERGY AND IT CAN MOVE AROUND ANDMOVE AROUND ON VARIOUS PATHWAYS JUST LIKE ANY PLANT IN DIFFERENT AREAS ON THEY FOUND THE LAKE RUN AS IT WAS ABOUT MAYBE 150 ACRES IT WAS A BIG AREA OF THE LAKE IT WASN’T IN MINNESOTA OR ON OUR WATCHLIST ARE ON OUR DNR WEBSITE ON OUR PRIORITIES LIST EITHER IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU SHOWED UP. THE WORK THAT WE’VE DONE NOW IN RESPONSEI’VE KINDA WENT THROUGH THAT IMPACT A MANAGEMENT DIRECTION; HOW BAD IS IT AND WE SET UP STUDY PLOTS IN LAKES TO MONITOR THE PROGRESSION OF INVASION OVER TIME. WE FOUND THAT NOT ONLY DID THE STORY STONEWORK COLONIZE AREAS WITH PLANTS BUT IT STARTED TO OUTCOMPETE THE NEEDS THAT HAD PLANS AND [INAUDIBLE] NATIVE EDUCATION THIS GROWS VERY DENSE AND VERY THICK AND IT CAN PREVENT THE [INAUDIBLE] THE EFFEXOR ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL. SO NOW PREVENTION EFFORTS THAT SIMILAR NOTIONS ARE WHAT THEY DID FOR ZEBRA MUSSELS SO WE CAN PREDICT WHICH LAKES WILL HAVE THE STORY STONEWART AND THE PREDICTABILITY NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT WITH THE WILDLIFE AND THE PREDICTABILITY IS PRETTY STRONG. WE HAVE ALSO LOOKED AT PREVENTION AND PROTECTION AND THAT KIND OF OVERLAP TO THERE WITH THE PROGRAM WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] AND PEOPLE GO OUT AND LOOK FOR [INAUDIBLE] THEY ARE IN EACH COUNTY THERE TRAINED THEY GO OUT AND THEY LOOK AND THEY FIND THEM FOR BETTER OR WORSE THEY LOOK AND THEY FIND THESE THINGS TO THE DETECTION EFFORTS HAVE BEEN VERY CRITICAL. WE’VE ALSO LOOKED AT THE DEFECATION RATES AND HOW LONG CAN THE STARRY STONEWORK SURVIVE OUT OF WATER AND IT IS PRETTY INTOLERANT TO DRYING OUT BUT THE BIGGER THE CLUMP YOU HAVE THE BETTER IT CAN EXPAND AND IT CAN LAST A WHILE AND THOSE BUBBLES CAN LAST A FAIR BIT OF TIMEMORE THAN A DAY BETWEEN LAKES. CONTROL; RIGHT NOW; WE HAVE THE STARRY STONEWART BEING STUDIED ON THE CAMPUS AND YOU’LL FIND A WHOLE BUNCH A RESOURCE THAT UP AND YOU’LL FIND THIS LITTLE TINY [INAUDIBLE] OF MACRO ALGAE GROWING IN EACH ONE AND WERE TESTING DIFFERENT TYPES OF ALGAE SIDES AND DIALING IN ON THAT TREATMENT RECOMMENDATION AND WE ARE SPENDING TONS OF MONEY TRYING TO TREAT IT ON THESE LAKES RIGHT NOW AND WE KNOW IT’S NOT 100% EFFECTIVE IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED BUT IT’S REALLY EXPENSIVE SO WERE TRYING TO DIAL IN THOSE OPTIONS IN A CONTROLLED WAY IN THE LAB. THAT’S THEIR CONTROL EFFORT. AND; FOR MANAGEMENT; WERE WORKING WITH DNR IN THE COUNTIES TO HELP US TO FIND IT; TO HELP US TO EDUCATE PEOPLE; IDENTIFYING IT; AND DETECTION AND INVASION BASED ON THE PRESENCE OF THE SPECIES. SO; THAT IS THE LONG STORY SHORT.>>CHAIR: REPRESENTATIVE AIKEN. REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN.>>REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR; SO FREEZ DOES NOT AFFECT THE CELL AND THE TEMPERATURE DOES NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON OUR CLIMATE FOR FREEZING AND THE HEAT AND OUR TEMPERATURE?>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN; THEY HAVE TO DRY OUT FASTER. A LOT OF THEM ARE BUFFERED BY THE ENVIRONMENT AND THEY CAN MAKE IT COLD BUT NOT COLD ENOUGH. WE HAVE HAD THIS CHRONOLOGY OF THE PATTERNS OVER TIME THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND WE SET UP THIS REALLY COOL CAMERA SYSTEM TO LOOK AT THE SONAR UNDER LIFE AND IT’S THERE IT’S STILL SURVIVING AT 36 DEGREES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LAKE IN THE WINTER [INAUDIBLE] FUTURE CLIMATE SCENARIOS JUST TO GET A PERSPECTIVE AND I KNOW IT’S APPEARING IN ABOUT 13 LAKES RIGHT NOW AND WHAT MIGHT OUR FUTURE LOOK LIKE WITH THIS SPECIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. REPRESENTATIVE: THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR. A FEW DECADES AGO I WAS ATTENDING SCHOOL AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND WORK WITH PROF. RAY NEWMAN ON BEATLES EXCUSE ME AND I’M CURIOUS BUT I’VE HEARD THAT IT IS KINDA COMING BACK IN VOGUE WITH THE TREATMENT AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT AND ALSO WHAT ARE THE TREATMENTS OR THE HYBRID FORM OF [INAUDIBLE] SOIL.>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR; REPRESENTATIVE; [INAUDIBLE] IS STILL WORKING VERY HARD ON THE [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT RIGHT NOW HE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH WEIBEL’S AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A RESURGENT INTEREST IN THE MANAGEMENT OPTION WHICH THE RESEARCH WOULD SUGGEST IS POSSIBLE. WE KNOW WE BOWLS WILL EAT THE STEMS OF THE [INAUDIBLE] PLANTS AND KILL THEM. THE PROBLEM IS; IT’S UNPREDICTABLE; THE SUCCESS IS UNPREDICTABLE. SO YOU WILL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE WE BOWLS WILL THERE’S ALSO THE HABITAT OR THE STRUCTURE OF THE LAKE WITH THE SITUATION SO IT’S NOT ONE STRATEGY OR ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL OPTIONS SO THE TREATMENT OPTIONS THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW FOR THE HYBRID VARIETY ARE UNCERTAIN AND WE ARE MATCHING UP THE GENETIC PATTERN WITH THE TREATMENT OUTCOMES AND SEEING IT WHAT CONCENTRATIONS. PEOPLE ARE FINDING THE SAME LEVELS OF THE SAME AREAS IN EVERY LATE AND THERE IS A LOT OF THE SAME CONDITIONS IN VARIABILITY AND FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY AND WE NEED TO SORT IT OUT BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT NOW AND AM OPTIMISTIC BY THE END OF THEIR PROJECT WHICH WILL END HERE IN JUNE; THEY WILL HAVE AND I CAN GIVE YOU A REPORT BACK KIND OF ON YOU KNOW THE PROTOCOL OR BEST CASE SCENARIO ANYWAY OF WHAT WE KNOW NOW BUT I PERCEIVE MORE WORK IN THE AREAS WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS EVOLVING SPECIES.>>CHAIR: REPRESENTATIVES B BECKER- FINN.>>REPRESENTATIVE BECKER-FINN: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE FOR THE STRUCTUREOF THE [INAUDIBLE] IT’S HELPFUL TO LOOK AT THEIR LAB WE COULD FACILITATE A TIME THAT’S CONVENIENT FOR FOLKS BUT IT’S REALLY HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TALK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS. SO; THANKS.>>CHAIR: THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN.>>REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND DR. PHELPS I’VE ACTUALLY SEEN AT SUCH A PRETTY UGLY AND I SPOKE TO SOME PEOPLE AT THE LAKE ASSOCIATION UP THERE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO THERE WE SPOKE TO DR. ROGERS AT THE [INAUDIBLE] UNIVERSITY COULD YOU HELP THE COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND HIS ROLE IN THIS AND HOW WE MAY BE COLLABORATING WITH HIM?>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR; REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN; [INAUDIBLE] IS KIND OF STARRY STONEWARTB RESEARCH AND DR. ROGER’S [INAUDIBLE] WHO IS HE’S BEEN DOING TREATMENTS THERE WITH THE LAKE ASSOCIATION WERE TRYING EVERYTHING WE’VE CAN I KNOW THAT DR. ROGERS IS A STARRY STONEWART GUY ON OUR SIDE TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH EACH OTHER BUT WERE DOING IS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN JUST TREATMENT AND THAT’S WHERE DR. ROGERS COMES AND HE’S PLAYING AN IMPORTANT ROLE AS WELL AS WE CAN WITH THE RESEARCHERS TO ONE UP POSSESSIVE ABOUT OUR STUDY OF SCIENCE WE WELCOME ANYONE WILLING TO WORK ON RESEARCH IN MINNESOTA BUT [INAUDIBLE]>>CHAIR: REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON.>>REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I TOO WAS THAT LATE KRONOS A FEW YEARS AGO AND AS I RECALL THERE WERE PEOPLE WORKING ON MECHANICAL HARVESTING OF THE STARRY STONE WORD IS THAT EFFECTIVE IN THE TREATMENT.>>TESTIFIER: MECHANICAL HARVESTING JUST KIND OF GOES ALONG THE WATER ON THE ROOTS AND JUST KIND OF SETUP AND TRIES TO GET IT OUT IT IS EFFECTIVE FOR REMOVAL AND CONTROL WE SHOULD NOT SEE THAT AS A SUPPRESSAN OF THE POPULATION IT IS MORE OF JUST A NUISANCE CONTROL. THE DRAWBACK OF MECHANICAL HARVESTING IS IT’S EXPENSIVE; IT’S INDEFINITE AND AS YOU CHOP IT UP; THE STARRY STONEWART THOSE LITTLE BITS CAN RESEED YOU CAN GET IT OUT OF THE WATER BUT IT’S GONNA GET BACK INTO THE LAKE AND QUICKLY REPLANT ITSELF. SO THEY USE IT FOR A CERTAIN PURPOSE LIKE NAVIGATION CHANNELS OR SPOT CONTROL BUT IT’S NOT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.>>CHAIR: I THINK WE QUESTIONED YOU OUT.>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR I DO IN QUESTION YOU ARE DOORS ARE ALWAYS OPEN AT THE CAMPUS CHECK OUT THE LAB TALK TO THE STUDENTS AND COME SEE THIS IN ACTION AT ALL POSSIBLE TO SCHEDULE IT.>>CHAIR: PLEASE RELAY OUR GRATITUDE TO OUR STAFF AND OTHER FOLKS THAT WORK WITH YOU. REPRESENTATIVE: THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR. AWAIT THE LAST MINUTE BECAUSE OF KIND OF OFF SUBJECT BUT IT WOULD JUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DISCUSSION BUT DR.; I’M CURIOUS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THERE IS A SPINOFF COMPANY OUT THERE PERFORMING TREATMENT AND MY QUESTION IS; IS IT THE UNIVERSITY; IS THAT THE PROFESSORS THAT ARE ON THEIR OWN; IS IT FORMER STUDENTS THAT HAVE STARTED THEIR OWN COMPANY; WHAT IS THIS PRIVATE COMPANY MADE UP OF AND HOW DID IT START?>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION AND THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA HAS OTHER [INAUDIBLE] HAS REALLY HELPED TO FACILITATE THIS PATH OF COMMERCIALIZATION OF THE RESEARCH LINE AND IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THE UNIVERSITY REPORTS WITH A FACULTY MEMBER TO CREATE A COMPANY BASED ON THE RESEARCH THEY HAD DONE. AND [INAUDIBLE] IS LEADING THE COMPANY AND IT’S CALLED [INAUDIBLE] SOLUTIONS AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT HE WORKS AS A PART-TIME FACULTY MEMBER RIGHT NOW AS A SIDE GIG AND HE HAS AFFILIATED [INAUDIBLE] AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPANY ROSTER MANY OF THEM ARE FORMER GRADUATE STUDENTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH OUR PROGRAM THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY AND IT’S EXACTLY WHAT THE UNIVERSITY MODEL IS BUILT ON IS TO DO THE WORK AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM BUT ALONG THOSE LINES I THINK IT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE UNIVERSITY IS ALL ABOUT AND I’M GLAD TO BE PART OF THAT.>>REPRESENTATIVE: ONE FOLLOW-UP; IF I MAY THAT’S A GREAT SUCCESS STORY BUT THE ONLY THING THAT WILL MAKE IT BETTER IS IF YOU START UP COMPANIES THAT WERE STARTED THROUGH FUNDING DOLLARS TO THE STATE THAT WERE REQUIRED TO GIVE 10 OR 20% BACK TO PROMOTE MORE RESEARCH BACK TO THE UNIVERSITY RATHER THAN NEEDING MORE FUNDING FROM THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.>>TESTIFIER: MR. CHAIR; DEPENDING ON THE WAY THE TECHNOLOGY IS DEVELOPED I THINK THE STANDARD THIRD PHASE OF THE UNIVERSITY GOES BACK TO THE RESEARCHERS AT THE DEPARTMENT’S RESEARCH PROGRAM SO IT’S A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS SO THERE IS A [INAUDIBLE] AND ALSO I SHOULD POINT OUT TO THAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS DEVELOPED IN THESE RESOURCES AND THESE EFFORTS ARE FUNDED THROUGH TECHNOLOGY AND COMMERCIALIZATION AND THIS IS RECOUPING COSTS THERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TOO.>>REPRESENTATIVE: MY UNDERSTAND IS IT IS A [INAUDIBLE]>>TESTIFIER: DEPENDING ON THE TECHNOLOGY.>>CHAIR: I DON’T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMING OUT IS HERE. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION REPRESENTATIVE AIKEN OR A COMMENT?>>REPRESENTATIVE AIKEN: I SERVED ON CCN ARE FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE USED TO PERMIT SOME OF THE PROJECTS COMING FORWARD. SO AT SOME POINT THEY WOULD GO COMMERCIAL AND THEN THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THE DNR T FUNDS WERE USED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY ARE PRIVATE-SECTOR COMPANY AND THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PAYBACK IN A ONE DAY THE COMMITTEE OR MAYBE MS. TAYLOR SOMEONE ON THE PARTISAN STAFF CAN HELP US OUT BUT IS SOMEONE ABLE TO RECOUP FROM THESE PROJECTS AND I WAS TOLD ZERO SO NOT SURE THINGS ARE NOT GOING COMMERCIAL OF THINGS ARE BEING REPORTED BACK CORRECTLY? TO HAVE A KIND OF RIGHT MS. TAYLOR?>>CHAIR: WE WILL LOOK INTO IT FURTHER ; REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN; BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT THE UNDERSTANDING I HAD EITHER BUT THAT WILL BE ANOTHER DAY BECAUSE RUNNING OUT OF TIME BUT THINK YOU ALL– AND THANK YOU DR. PHELPS FOR YOUR GOOD PRESENTATION YOUR PATIENCE IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS IN ALL YOUR MEMBERS FOR YOUR QUESTIONS; AND THE STAFF FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND WE STAND ADJOURNED.>>[GAVEL]

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