HUGE New Revenue Stream for Tesla Leaked in Latest Update – News Recap for Aug 28th, 2017

HUGE New Revenue Stream for Tesla Leaked in Latest Update – News Recap for Aug 28th, 2017


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  1. Thanks for joining me today! Below are the timestamps for each story in case you want to jump around. See you Wednesday!

    COOL – Tesla P100D as Chase Vehicle 3:40
    SHORT – Autolist Depreciation Forecast 6:13
    LONG – TTunes Music Service 8:50
    Model S in Boring Tunnel 11:56
    Nueralink Funding 13:39
    German Carmakers Urged 15:03
    Hyperloop Competition 17:03
    Full Power for Ludicrous Mode 19:27
    200-300 mi Range for Tesla Semi 20:57
    Fossil fuel subsidies are a staggering $5 tn per year 23:24

  2. VW I.D. is a highly automated electric car that will cover a distance of 400 to 600 kilometres on a single battery charge. The production version of the I.D. is due to be launched in 2020 at a price on a par with comparably powerful and well-equipped Golf. 22k

  3. Weird, I submitted my question via your web page from the email I received this morning yet you didn't cover it. My question was about when will the Model S and X received the new batteries that are going into the Model 3? And, do the new battery packs charge any faster since the Model 3 has more limited charging capabilities than the S or X?

  4. To the guy who is torn between waiting a year for AWD and getting a tax credit right away for the Model 3: 1) I say take the tax credit now before it dies fast next year. If you have problems for a few days with snow, then rent an AWD for a few hundred dollars. IF AWD is still important, make another reservation now and sell your early Model 3 in a year. I am guessing the price decline slighly used will be under the $7,500 credit, because the order stream is so backed up. You may also get a "refreshed" AWD. 2) You also get the personal pleasure of a Tesla fast and You Only Live Once (YOLO. Cats do it 9 times). 🙂

  5. Sudheer, regarding your question about RWD and AWD options, i'm in the same boat as you! I drive an AWD vehicle now and it does make a huge difference in the snow — never gotten stuck on ice or snow yet. However, I ultimately decided to go with the RWD because I feel like it will have more miles/charge as a RWD vehicle. So it saves me more money to go for the reservation now as opposed to later because of the tax credit phaseout… This is just a guess, because I am not sure if the Model3 will have an option to switch from FWD/RWD/AWD..

  6. Why is this vid only in HD? I can't watch it because it will use up too much of my limited monthly bandwidth budget. Usually there's a choice of lower resolutions, how come not now?

  7. Space Studies Institute, under the late Dr Gerard K O'Neill, developed a push-pull electromagnetic system. Marrying that to a vacuum tube would produce blindingly fast speeds. It appears folks are more eager to imagine than research so, the learning curve is repeated. However, it's good to see the effort.

  8. Don't see much demand for an app running on a car OS when everyone has a spartphone / tablet. Integration makes more sense. Given political realities, widely adopted full autonomy seems unlikely until 2030s at the earliest.

  9. I have breaking news on a new revenue stream for Tesla, it's called not giving back your Model 3 deposit. It's been weeks since I cancelled and they still have my money. Real professional company.

  10. To Arlene's question of keeping S and X "attractive and moving forward," I purchased a Model S in June instead of the Model 3 for which I've had a reservation since April 1, 2016, because of Elon's frequent cautioning that the Model S and X would always have better range and performance than the Model 3 and Tesla's website which echos this. To my great disappointment, my new Model S has neither better range nor better performance than the Model 3 with the LR battery configuration. My model S has a 249-mile range and 0-60 in 5.4 seconds. Model 3 with LR config: 310-mile range and 0-60 in 5.1 seconds. So if its performance and range you want be careful–not all Model S vehicles are superior in this way.

  11. I don't believe that long haul semi fleet owners are going to be nearly as receptive to short EV ranges as car buyers. Truck drivers typically don't carry kids with small bladders. Often times they are driven by two-person teams who drive straight through to their destination, with one person resting while the other drives. And a truck can't recharge at a car supercharging station for only 1/2 hour and get anywhere close to an 80% charge. The battery has to be several times bigger even if the range is the same as a car because of the much greater weight of the loaded vehicle. Also, any use of the trailer brakes is a missed opportunity for regenerative braking.

    On the other hand, initial purchase price is not a problem as long as you can show lower overall cost of ownership. I expect to see Tesla announce a range of 500 miles or more on its long haul semi, though it may offer smaller battery sizes as well. I also expect them to announce a new, higher-speed supercharging capability. These new super-duper superchargers would be installed at or near major truck stops along the interstate highway system. I expect the surprise to be that they will be open to cars too (at least if there are no trucks waiting) and will be able to charge a car in only 5 minutes.

    There's no doubt that shorter range EV semis (or trucks with attached beds or cargo boxes) would be useful as well, but Tesla has made it clear that they are going after the long haul market, not short haul. In my opinion you really can't call a semi "long haul" if it can't go at least 500 miles on a charge.

  12. I've always believed Tesla's income stream would be endless recharging of the S,X,3 through its network of super chargers… Imagine owning every gas station but not having to buy the gas your selling. If the super chargers are powered by solar panels this would be the case.

  13. On Craig's question about Leafs and Bolts using superchargers: Tesla is willing for other automakers to share the supercharger network as long as they pay their fair share. But none have taken them up on the offer (so far). The car has to be designed for supercharging, so it's not going to happen without the cooperation of the other car makers.

    On James' question about the windshield and roof being one piece on the Model 3: No they are separate pieces of glass. You're thinking of the Model X, not the Model 3. On the Model 3 the back of the roof (over the heads of the rear seat passengers) is one piece with the rear window.

  14. For the love of God, Ben, make your videos shorter! I'm not willing to spend 38 minutes on this, much less the usual 45+.

  15. Concerning the Autolist Depreciation Forecast: Even accounting for the hits that Model S valuations took when Full Autonomy was announced, Model S has better residual values than comparable brands such as Mercedes, BMW and Audi. It is true that Model 3 residuals at this point are entirely speculation, but I don't think it's as unreliable or inaccurate as you make it out to be. As a matter of fact, a Model 3 could end up doing proportionally better than Model S. It's a less expensive car, and less expensive cars generally hold their values better than luxury cars.

  16. In the tunnel skate video the floor is much higher up the sides of the tunnel, where it would be wider. They just put the Model S in the tunnel for a fun picture, not actual production tunnel use.

  17. I am a commercial truck driver and on an average day I drive about 550 miles a day if I really pushed myself or I need to I've done over 700 miles a day.
    Commercial truck drivers are legally allowed to drive 11 hours a day. Out West There are States where the speed limit to 80 miles an hour. Most states it is 70.
    My average load goes about 1000 to 1200 miles.
    I have done many loads that go 2800 to 3000 miles so wherever you heard this 200 to 300 miles is incorrect. Maybe for a local driver who stays in one state but the vast majority of truck drivers are long-haul over-the-road drivers and do about 3200 to 3600 miles a week.
    If Tesla is wanting to get into the majority of trucking they would have to get a truck they would have a minimum practical range of about 750 miles. And have a recharge time that is a maximum of 10 hours.
    The truck would also have to be able to run in climate controls while it is charging and in extreme weather conditions.
    If you have any other questions regarding the trucking industry feel free to send me a message. I have a YouTube channel as well.

  18. Sudheer, having driven through many winters with various configurations, I would say AWD>FWD>RWD when it comes to driving in slick conditions. Yes, the tires make a difference, but my Subarus have gotten me through some very hairy situations (i.e. White outs) with just all season tires. If you go with RWD, buy some cinderblocks to throw in your trunk every winter.

  19. 200-300 miles is not enough. Semi trucks meant for that range can go much more. What if a road breaks down and they need to change route? What if the chargers on the other end are full? What if the cargo is heavier than usual? What if traffic is high? In 5 years will that 300 miles become 200? What if you catch too many red lights? If I was a truck driver or company I would not invest in this. For a 300 mile distance it better do 500 miles.

  20. While an app store is of course possible, software would have to conform to road safety considerations. I cant see the next MInecraft game being released for the Tesla Model 3. Not as long as level 5 autonomy is not approved by the relevant regulators.

    Until then there will be quite a few restrictions for third party software if it is possible in the first place, and it might not be as it can be considered a major change to the car's operating system which then would need a recertification for the car as a whole. Especially if third party software can interface or control the main car components.

    There are some very talented software guys that are not overly friendly with the west, not really a huge stretch seeing malicious software that commands a swarm of M3s to drive into a festival crowd.

  21. what you said about the range for semi trucks is not true. my father is a truck driver and he drives from to edmonton from winnipeg which is 700 miles, from winnipeg to texas which is 2300 miles florida, toronto you get the point semi truck drivers drive all across the continent and defenetly not 200-300 miles!

  22. Ben I help build tunnels in london and to put it in simple turns they don't need to use the whole tunnel if you raised the floor level up to the middle of the tunnel it would be wider and you wouldn't need the height because the model x would still clear to roof of the tunnel easily

  23. As far as the "Tesla App Store" concept, that's not really what Musk is about. Mining revenue streams may be the mission of other tech companies, but the mission of Tesla (and Solar City) is to make electric vehicles and renewable energy the standard of the world. That's why they've put Tesla patents in the public domain. The mission of SpaceX is to make space travel economical, keep NASA viable, and through that path make possible the colonization of Mars. Musk is capable of generating billions for himself, and has done so, but that's not what gets him out of bed in the morning.

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  25. If a skate, or the car in a skateless tunnel, broke down, then what?
    The skates reverse themselves back to the starting point?
    Scenarios, scenarios, scenarios.

  26. re: Sudheer's question about M3 snow performance
    I would suggest that in most cases a RWD with studded tires should be reasonably fine for winter driving. Perhaps review Bjorn Nyland's channel with his experience in Norway with his P85D.

  27. I live in Northern Arizona, and was speaking to a DPS trooper (Highway Patrol) a couple of weeks ago in a classroom setting. I asked him what his take on autonomous vehicles was.

    He told me that there were already tests being done on entrained autonomous big rigs on the highways of Navajo County, where several trucks are lined up in a close convoy. DPS is in on all open road phases of this test, and he, himself, had been involved in at least part of it.

    Apparently the way it works is that only the first truck has a human driver; all the others are autonomous, and electronically slaved to it. He said they were testing three or four trucks total in the convoy right now.

    I didn't think to ask which company was behind this test program, but it shouldn't be too hard to research. As far as I understand it, these are NOT electric vehicles, so I don't believe Tesla is involved.

  28. For Ben Sullins and Sudheer: I currently live in Grand Forks, North Dakota and have been in ND since 2011. The winters here are brutal at times. I have had both AWD and RWD vehicles. RWD with winter tires or snow chains are a great combo for winter driving especially in blizzards if you are a cautious driver, and do not drive aggressively. AWD does have the advantage of mitigating sliding or issues with icy road conditions. Overall Sudheer you will be good to go with RWD if you get some winter tires or snow chains to use also.

  29. Ben, I have a data related question. A coworker drive a model x with auto pilot, and he drove by me waving both hands. Now that auto pilot has been out there for a fair amount of miles, is there data showing the difference between auto pilot driving and human driving? Im on the list for model 3…Thanks William.

  30. The picture of the Boring tunnel with the car in it gives a misconception that the car will actually sit near the floor of the tunnel. If you look at the concept vid, the track is elevated about halfway up the tube, where there's a fair bit more width. This provides ample space beneath the track for the skate mechanics — as well as cabling, ducting, etc. Also, it may well be that the current tunneling test machine isn't sized as big as the production boring machines will actually be. They might gain a few feet in their diameter after the initial testing phase.

  31. Homelink is included with the premium Model 3 interior package, but not the standard, according to screenshots of the Model 3 options site (that have been posted by an early recipient).

  32. Maybe TTunes in not like iTunes but more like Looney Tunes for while you're on auto pilot 🙂 Getting lithium etc. to the GigaFactory is a perfect application for an autonomous Semi. Forget fossil subsidies, the health issues with brain diseases is the biggest concern IMO.

  33. That depreciation cart was not well thought out here in Australia the value will be ok. The battery will be different in every environment all over the world so it's unknown and will be interesting to see the results with such a large amount of cars. The model 3 here in Australia with the pre orders will put 7 times more ev cars on the market then now

  34. I worked with trucks that go interstate here in Australia and I would love to see the tesla trucks to have a swap out battery for longer trips

  35. I don't think TTunes (by whatever name it eventually launches – my vote is MUSiK 🙂 will be HUGE (as you put it). Unless you think they will offer this as a public app, it would be limited to Tesla owners. Tesla has generally done these kinds of things to improve the ownership experience, not as a profit center. I think it will be cool, I can't wait to try it, but it is not going to cause the stock to jump or significantly change the bottom line.

  36. If Tesla uses their battery swap idea Elon showed off a couple years ago with these semi's a 300 mile range would not be an issue. Just pull up to a swap location and 1-2 minutes its off driving again. I had some reservations for the swapping idea for cars but for semi's it is great logistically.

  37. That home link feature is something I was eagerly awaiting only to find upon delivery that Australians, while they pay a lot more for their car DO NOT get home link. I'm saddened that even though the cost of a 433MHz module for the Australian band only costs around $5 (I'm paying $145,000 for the car) they didn't see fit to spend that little bit of money. That also means that I can pay almost $15000 for full auto pilot and the car can't get out of my garage on auto summon. Very sad.

  38. I understand there are several acceptable ways to pronounce Tesla. I even "get" the fact that Elon does it with a "z" sound. However I find it somewhat pretentious and very distracting when somebody who doesn't share the same linguistic background uses it as much as Ben does. I feel pretty confident you aren't mocking Elon with it, so it comes across as pretentious.
    I certainly don't expect you to change it based on a single comment, just wanted you to be aware.

  39. The Tesla P100DL is the least expensive 4-wheel vehicle that the US Military has purchased because they did not have to pay for the development (Cost + Contracts).

  40. If you are wearing out the inside corner of your tires from static camber alignment, then you are not driving fast enough on curvy roads.  I suggest you try it or even better, take it to a autocross or a racetrack.  😉

  41. I was thinking about this Tesla app store idea just the other day. I was wondering what Apple's next big thing might be, and that led me to wondering why Tesla and Apple hadn't ended up partnering, given their synergies, and that led me to think about Tesla as a platform for apps. This is just one more way that Tesla can generate revenue. Maybe some Tesla investors are nervous, but I'd be much more nervous if I owned shares in BMW or Mercedes.

  42. I believe Tesla has offered to share their charging network with any auto manufacturer who is willing to share the cost of maintaining them. Perhaps the deal that Tesla is offering is not a fair deal, so none of the other auto manufacturers are interested? Or maybe the other auto manufacturers are just unwilling to work with Tesla. Maybe they're so afraid of Tesla that they believe that cooperating with them would destroy them.

    Anyway, the bottom line is that they don't want to work with Tesla, whatever their reasons.

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