The New Ninth Planet - Sixty Symbols

The New Ninth Planet – Sixty Symbols



It's evidence for a distant giant planet
in the Solar System. So the authors here are Batygin and Brown, and a big part of the reason
why we're back down to eight planets is because Brown is—his other
name is—he's better known as @plutokiller because he's the guy who kinda got Pluto
demoted from planet status to just another dwarf planet by basically
discovering lots of other dwarf planets and pointing out that Pluto really is nothing
special, and if we're not careful we're gonna end up with thousands of planets in
the Solar System this way. So he's killed one, and clearly
guilt has gotten the better of him 'cause now he's trying to bring one back. Basically, they found evidence for a
large-ish ninth planet in the outer Solar System, so they haven't actually
seen the planet is the important point to get in first. They have come across
indirect evidence that there probably is a planet out there somewhere, and
because it's indirect evidence, you can't make very definite statements about it,
but it has to be at least 10 times the mass of the Earth. So you're talking about a serious-sized planet. It's not just, you know, another little Pluto; it really is a
serious planet we're talking about here. Planets are actually quite hard things to spot, especially ones which are a long way from the Sun, because the planet doesn't actually
give out any light of its own. All you're seeing is the reflected light from the Sun. So when you get out to large distances, there isn't a lot of reflected light out there, and so actually by the time it gets from the Sun to the planet and then reflected back to us, they really are very faint. Plus, there's a lot of space out there.
So the way you typically find minor bodies like asteroids and things is you take a picture and then you take another picture and you see what's moved. Now these things are moving relatively slowly, so it's being quite a tricky
exercise to actually track them down. Having said that, something this big really should be findable. So having now made a prediction of what it roughly is and
roughly where to look for it, I suspect there will now be a concerted effort and if it's there, it'll probably be found. So the primary piece of evidence is that there are a whole bunch of these things called Kuiper belt objects, these sort of low-mass objects in the outer Solar System. You can see there's a whole family of
them which are all pointing in really pretty much the same direction in space. And if you do a kind of calculations and say, "Well, what's the chances of all these
things being that closely lined up?", it turns out there's a very low probability that
they'll get lined up that closely. So the Sun is in the middle there, and then all these very elliptical orbits that carry them around the Sun. ­(BRADY) I didn't know Kuiper belt objects had orbits quite so eccentric or came that close to the Sun! (PROF. MERRIFIELD) There are different families of them, but there are all these ones that cross into the inner Solar System and then whiz back out again. Well, it depends on how you define the inner Solar System. We think of them all being out in this thing called the Oort cloud, but actually quite a lot of them are on these kinds of orbits that carry them in, erm, within the orbit of Neptune,
so they don't actually come into the… (BRADY) Oh, Neptune, they're not gonna smash into Earth.
(PROF. MERRIFIELD) No, they're not gonna smash, no, no, no. So, yes, don't worry about a Kuiper belt object falling on your head but, um, but, yeah, they do, they are on these very eccentric orbits. Now, the interesting thing about that: how do they end up aligned like that? Well, maybe
however they got made in the first place just had some preferential direction in it, and for whatever reason they all ended up forming on these orbits, because it went — once you put a planet on an orbit, it stays on the same orbit, and it will just stay there. But the interesting thing is because they are coming quite close into the inner parts of the Solar System, they get relatively close to some of the outer planets, and the net effect of that over many orbits is that they'll
gravitationally interact with them and those orbits will kinda get scattered, so
instead of pointing that way, maybe a bit later on it will have a close encounter and end up coming out in that direction. And you can do a calculation to say, "Well, what's the lifetime, and how long will they stay if they formed in this?", and the answer is at least, on the on the time scale of the life of the Solar System, it's quite short. If
they formed in that pattern, they won't have stayed in that pattern to the present day. So we know it can't just be the origins of it, so that means it has to be
something holding them together. Now, there are usually two ways you can kind of hold a pattern of things together like that: it can either be the gravity of the things themselves holding it together or it can be kind of something else marshalling it, and so you can do a calculation to figure out "OK, so how much mass is there out there in these kind of objects, is it enough for the grav… the sort of mutual gravity of it to hold it together?" And it turns out it fails by some very large fraction, so, actually, that can't be the explanation, which means you need something else that's marshalling them, and that was sort of the first piece of
evidence that you need something else out there in that outer Solar System that actually leads to this arrangement. People hadn't really thought about what could do that, and one of the nice things that comes out of this paper is they've
done a whole bunch of simulations to say, "OK, so what could be doing it?" It has to be a reasonably massive body to have this effect. It has to be about 10 times the mass of the Earth or more, and when you've got a massive body like that, it turns out that the interaction between something on this anti-aligned orbit with this
collection of things over here is enough to keep them relatively well marshalled together. And you can see they're not perfectly aligned, so actually there clearly are things going on but it's enough to stop them from wandering too far away. And if that were the end of the story, I would kind of say, "Well, you know, it's one of those things where they found something, and, yes, it's a low probability but maybe—how did they collect them in the first place, how did they select the
data, which things have they ignored?" But they found that if you make this Planet Nine on that kind of orbit, it does a couple of other things as well, which
also turn out to be things that we know about. So, for example, there's
another of these minor bodies, Sedna, and it has a couple of friends as well, which is on a rather strange orbit for these Kuiper belt objects. Most of these Kuiper belt objects are on orbits which get, at some point in their orbit, get close to Neptune. Sedna is not on one of those orbits, and so for a long time people have wondered "Well, how did it end up on that orbit, given that we think that the way you end up with these kinds of
orbits is by close interactions with with Neptune?" And what they found is that if you got this Planet Nine, once in a while it kicks something off one of these sort
of Neptune encountering orbits onto a completely different orbit, just like the
kind of orbit that Sedna's on. So now they've got an explanation for where Sedna comes from. And then the final piece of the jigsaw is they also found, sort of unexpectedly while they were doing this calculation, is that there's a completely different family of planets as well, minor planets as well, so these Kuiper belt objects which end up on orbits which are kind of perpendicular to the plane of
the Solar System, so all these things are more or less in the plane of the solar
system. You end up with another family which is almost perpendicular to it, and they thought, "Well, that can't be right" and then, but then they went and checked and it turns out there are a whole bunch of things on these perpendicular orbits as well. So, by invoking this one rather extreme idea, namely there's a ninth, rather large planet in the outer Solar System, you can explain three things, and, scientifically, that starts to look like a win, right? In science, if you can, if you dream up something which only explains one thing, you kind of think
"Well, you know, that could be anything, could be that, could be something else," but it starts to get more efficient if you've got one thing you've dreamed up that actually explains three different things. At that point, you start to say, "Well, that's, maybe that's, you know, the evidence is building up, maybe that really is the
way things work, and maybe there is that ninth planet lurking out there somewhere."
So it'll have to be one of these things that sort of like an ice giant like Neptune or Uranus, one of those big, gaseous, very cold bodies. When you do simulations of the formation of the Solar System or stellar systems with planets around them, you do, actually, sometimes find that the planetary system starts to form, and then several of the big planets which are forming have a close encounter with each other, and one of them kinda gets gravitationally
kicked out. So it is, actually, quite plausible
there could be a large body which probably initially formed rather closer to the Sun but then as the system formed, that then got kicked out onto one of these orbits. Now, then you have to do something else to it, because if you just kick it out, it will end up on a very elliptical orbit, but if it gets gets kicked out and then encounters some of the minor bodies out there or gas or something that it can gravitationally interact with, then it can get on the more circular orbit and end up very much like the planet we see. (BRADY) If you enjoyed this video and want to see even more astronomy, I hope you know about our other channel, DeepSkyVideos. It's really a lot like this channel, but astronomy only. We have lots of fun over there, and I hope you might check it out. (PROF. MERRIFIELD) You can see how much light is lost coming through that filter 'cause it's not very bright at all. (BRADY) And if you find the history of science interesting, why not check out my other channel, Objectivity? Each week we go into the vaults and
archives and find all sorts of amazing objects to do with the history of space, astronomy, physics, chemistry, you name it. (J. WILLGOOSE, ESQ.) Word.
(BRADY) Yeah?
(J. WILLGOOSE, ESQ.) Yeah!
(BRADY) Liking it? They're really cool videos and worth a look. I'll put links on the screen and in the video description.

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42 thoughts on “The New Ninth Planet – Sixty Symbols

  1. But.. Mike Brown wasn't the main person to help downgrade Pluto. The definition for planet (which excluded Pluto as a planet) given at the 2006 IAU comittee by Gonzalo Tancredi and Julio Angel Fernandez, had the big majority of upvotes already, so I don't understand why is mike brown the "Pluto killer". Some information would be appreciated..

  2. Could "the other thing" be a passing planet/star or even a passing system? The ejected planet could also explain the enigma of Uranus and the lack of a super Earth in the Solar System.

  3. People get so worked up about definitions. The 'is Pluto a planet' question is the same as the ship of Theseus – it is a matter of classification irrelevant to what it really is – a collection of stuff that coalesced from the protoplanetary disk, or a bunch of wood planks in the shape we call 'ship'. A label may be a handy reference but doesn't change the properties of the item.

  4. I find it insane that we’ve been able to see random planets lightyears upon lightyears away and yet we can say there might be an undiscovered planet in our own solar system

  5. There's yet another known feature of the solar system that a planet nine would cause: The tilt of the sun with respect to the plane of the known planets. What is postulated to actually have happened is that planet nine actually tilted the orbits of the planets, and simulations showed that the amount of tilt is the observed sun tilt.

  6. With the freaking power space-telescopes have and still the horrifyingly difficult it is to pin-point some exact thing out there. The fact that you can end up doing it just by writing in a paper will always amaze me lol

  7. Its seems 'perpendicular' a code word for the 90 degree angle and the Planet NEPTUNE are vital to this 'theory', certainly for its confirmation using other known science facts about Neptune's orbit … etc etc etc
    so then how does the FACT that NEPTUNE and URANUS swapped positions 4 billion years ago play itself out … if wee disturbances manifest into 'chaos' theories etc etc etc
    OH come on now, admit it, science is only a learning curve and the roller coaster ride called attaining knowledge is far from ending and why do theorists of each and every age NEVER see themselves as mere storytellers grasping at the elusive truth?
    I am confident that the IGNORANCE of the current batch of storytellers/theorists will become suitable compost for the inevitable TRUTH seeds to be sown now and reaped later by later gene generations.

    p.s. sixty symbols is great btw … i do love your stories best

  8. I now imagine the earth colliding with this theoretical new 9th planet/body, instead of beeing weary of large asteroids facing the earth or the earth facing its demise by getting closer and closer to the sun, or the sun emiting flares or giant outburst or exploding or such

  9. Imo Brown's demotion of Pluto had no scientific basis. It was based on an irrational fear of being overrun with planets. A hasty decision – and not science.

  10. After hearing the reports and results and seeing the photos from the New Horizons Pluto mission, I'm all for Pluto being a planet — even if that means there's another 10, 20 or more other bodies in the Kuiper Belt we must also give planetary status to. Pluto is very interesting, geologically, and I wonder if we'll go back there to keep exploring it if it doesn't have the big P next to its name.

  11. so first they postulate that there is a ninth planet to explain the uniformity of the Kuiper Belt objects.
    then they postulate that there is a ninth planet to explain the non-uniformity of other Kuiper Belt objects.

  12. I once saw an article or video or something which said that the reason that the gas giants moved outwards in our solar system was because they ejected a 'missing' gas giant, is this 9th planet the husk of the ejected planet?

  13. Brown is, essentially, claiming to be God with that "plutokiller" name… "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." (Revelation 20:14) HAIDES (Aides, Aidoneus, or Hades) was the King of the Underworld, the god of death and the dead… He was depicted as either Aidoneus, enthroned in the underworld, holding a bird-tipped sceptre, or as Plouton, the giver of wealth, pouring fertility from a cornucopia. The Romans named him Dis, or Pluto, the Latin form of his Greek title Plouton, "the Lord of Riches." "But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. {10} For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:9-10)
    http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Haides.html

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